Genki-Dama vs Zenō & Daishinkan

[Captain Cadaver]

By that same logic it wouldn't mean he would need to.
The Grand Priest is an Angel who is portrayed from his status position to be far above his son & daughter who is portrayed as far above the Gods Of Destruction.

I see no evidence where The Grand Priest has any worry over a SpiritBomb.

Being far above the Angels is a very vague term. It can be as low as a ~1.5x gap and still fit with what we've been presented.

Beyond stopping both Beerus and Quitela at once, the Daishinkan is featless, so any reason to place him as several or dozens of times stronger than the Angels isn't really supported by much until the evidence is presented to either prove or disprove it.

 

[ahill1]

Six Trails already nailed it. Super Baby Vegeta 1 > Zeno, and the Genki-Dama producced by the energy of the Universe 7 fellas was already enough to wipe out Omega Shenron. End of discussion.

 

[VampireWicked]

By that same logic it wouldn't mean he would need to.
The Grand Priest is an Angel who is portrayed from his status position to be far above his son & daughter who is portrayed as far above the Gods Of Destruction.

I see no evidence where The Grand Priest has any worry over a SpiritBomb.

Being far above the Angels is a very vague term. It can be as low as a ~1.5x gap and still fit with what we've been presented.

Beyond stopping both Beerus and Quitela at once, the Daishinkan is featless, so any reason to place him as several or dozens of times stronger than the Angels isn't really supported by much until the evidence is presented to either prove or disprove it.

As i said before by that same logic there's no reason for me not to see the gap in power to be huge.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

As i said before by that same logic there's no reason for me not to see the gap in power to be huge.

So, you have no actual evidence to back up your stance and just go with hype?

Very convincing...

 

[VampireWicked]

As i said before by that same logic there's no reason for me not to see the gap in power to be huge.

So, you have no actual evidence to back up your stance and just go with hype?

Very convincing...

What reason do i need to believe otherwise ?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

You don't outright need a reason to have it as an opinion, but evidence supporting it goes a lot further when it comes to actual discussion, otherwise things turn into a cycle of assumptions.

 

[VampireWicked]

You don't outright need a reason to have it as an opinion, but evidence supporting it goes a lot further when it comes to actual discussion, otherwise things turn into a cycle of assumptions.

I don't have it as an opinion as i don't see it as a reason for me not to see the gap in power to be huge.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't have it as an opinion as i don't see it as a reason for me not to see the gap in power to be huge.

So, your evidence is just the Flyinf Spaghetti Monster fallacy?

Solid.

 

[VampireWicked]

I don't have it as an opinion as i don't see it as a reason for me not to see the gap in power to be huge.

So, your evidence is just the Flyinf Spaghetti Monster fallacy?

Solid.

No because there's more saying the Grand Priest could.
The Gods of Destruction Candidate Toppo tanked..........nullified energy attacks without trying.

Every energy attack that hit Toppo was instantly nullified.
He flicked a tiny tiny Hakai at Frieza's planet busting attack & the tiny tiny Hakai nullified it like it was nothing.

Zeno erased Fused Zamasu who was so powerful he covered multiple time lines & dimensions.

LOL Are you seriously saying a SpiritBall gathered from all 12universes would be stronger than Fused Zamasu who was multi-dimensional.

If so then there's your Flying Spaghetti Monster fallacy.

And you have the Grand Priest who is stated to be one of the top 5 strongest beings in the entire multiverse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA_YpTNta4w
So we're totally disregarding statements & making up stuff now is that it.

......You both are joking right lol, you can't be serious.
You're not for real right, stop playing lol.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The Gods of Destruction Candidate Toppo tanked..........nullified energy attacks without trying.

Every energy attack that hit Toppo was instantly nullified.
He flicked a tiny tiny Hakai at Frieza's planet busting attack & the tiny tiny Hakai nullified it like it was nothing.

And absolutely none of that is relevant to Daishinkan when Freeza was at bare minimum 20x weaker than Toppo.

Zeno erased Fused Zamasu who was so powerful he covered multiple time lines & dimensions.

That was Infinite Zamasu, who barely managed to cover two timelines.

LOL Are you seriously saying a SpiritBall gathered from all 12universes would be stronger than Fused Zamasu who was multi-dimensional.

Considering 1/12th of that is already enough to at least be on par with Mutated Zamasu and caused someone who Shin confirmed as being stronger than Infinite Zamasu already to power up, I don't see why not.

If so then there's your Flying Spaghetti Monster fallacy.

You clearly don't know what the term is if you're using it in such a manner, though that's expected at this point.

And you have the Grand Priest who is stated to be one of the top 5 strongest beings in the entire multiverse.

Which doesn't automatically make him leagues above Whis.

 

[VampireWicked]

And absolutely none of that is relevant to Daishinkan when Freeza was at bare minimum 20x weaker than Toppo.

lol It's every bit relevant.

Gods of Destruction use divine ki, the majority of mortal attacks (save a few) do nothing to them.
They are Gods of Destruction & Angels reign over them, & The Grand Priest reigns over Angels.

If a God of Destruction candidate can nully attacks just by standing in front of them doing nothing, then there's absolutely no reason i can reasonably see that The Grand Priest or Zeno himself couldn't blink away a SpiritBall gathered from all 12 universes lol.

That was Infinite Zamasu, who barely managed to cover two timelines.

LOL I don't care if it was two time lines & a parking lot.
That's still two different dimensions.
And Zeno erased him like nothing.

Considering 1/12th of that is already enough to at least be on par with Mutated Zamasu and caused someone who Shin confirmed as being stronger than Infinite Zamasu already to power up, I don't see why not.

Still erased easily by Zeno.

You clearly don't know what the term is if you're using it in such a manner, though that's expected at this point.

lol you're hilarious.
It means in short you can believe any extreme without proof to support it.
And you are really believing The Grand Priest/Zeno can't simply because you claim there's nothing proving their power.

Which doesn't automatically make him leagues above Whis.

Whis stated The Grand Priest puts him to shame.
OMG LOL please stop you are too hilarious!

 

[Captain Cadaver]

lol It's every bit relevant.

Gods of Destruction use divine ki, the majority of mortal attacks (save a few) do nothing to them.
They are Gods of Destruction & Angels reign over them, & The Grand Priest reigns over Angels.

If a God of Destruction candidate can nully attacks just by standing in front of them doing nothing, then there's absolutely no reason i can reasonably see that The Grand Priest or Zeno himself couldn't blink away a SpiritBall gathered from all 12 universes lol.

Toppo was so far above Freeza he should be able to do that without Hakai. Completely tanking and nullifying attacks is no new feat or one that requires you being dozens of times above an opponent, Hakai or not. Goku nullified Kuririn's Kamehameha with little effort at the 22nd TB and Old Piccolo Daimao tanked Goku's Kamehameha with absolutely no problem.

Also, Hakai has been proven to be irrelevant if the power of the opponent is too much. Toppo's use of Hakai meant nothing once Vegeta gained a power up, so if Daishinkan or Zen-Oh face a force of greater power than them, it's doubtful Hakai would mean a thing.

LOL I don't care if it was two time lines & a parking lot.
That's still two different dimensions.
And Zeno erased him like nothing.

Which still isn't much when not only is comparing apples to oranges when it comes to the Genki-Dama, but Initial Jiren > Infinite Zamasu and the former required effort and a slight power up to push back the Genki-Dama. Goku's Genki-Dama from Universe 7 alone ought to be on par with Infinite Zamasu based on that, so bringing up Infinite Zamasu's destruction as if it is so high on the pedestal doesn't work.

Still erased easily by Zeno.

Which as I pointed out above, means nothing when Infinite Zamasu is likely not even top 5 when compared to the ToP competitors bar his immortality hax.

lol you're hilarious.
It means in short you can believe any extreme without proof to support it.
And you are really believing The Grand Priest/Zeno can't simply because you claim there's nothing proving their power.

And you have yet to present easily refutable evidence regarding Zen-Oh and Daishinkan's absolute superiority.

Whis stated The Grand Priest puts him to shame.

Which is an incredibly vague term, especially with how much of a value Whis places on skill as well. Based on feats we've had in the franchise before, as little as a 20% gap or even less is enough for that to be the case (18k Vegeta VS Kaioken x2 Goku), or can be as high as tens of times. The fact is, we have no solid idea of how far above Whis the Daishinkan is, other than "a lot" and the most we have as far as actual evidence is the Daishinkan stopping Beerus and Quitela with a finger each. Even that is not saying much, considering not only is the most famous finger feat from an era before battle power gaps even existed (Kami VS Goku), but it has been shown that concentrating all of one's strength into the finger isn't a difficult feat (eg. Goku VS Future Trunks).
Not only that, but such a feat doesn't seem out of the realm of Whis' ability when the 1.5x gap statement between he and Beerus still applies. Even having the Daishinkan as low as twice Beerus' power would suffice for him still being far above Whis. No need to bloat the gap for no real reason.

OMG LOL please stop you are too hilarious!

Nowhere near as much as the obvious flaws of your evidence and the immaturity you have in partaking in actual discussion.

 

[VampireWicked]

Toppo was so far above Freeza he should be able to do that without Hakai. Completely tanking and nullifying attacks is no new feat or one that requires you being dozens of times above an opponent, Hakai or not. Goku nullified Kuririn's Kamehameha with little effort at the 22nd TB and Old Piccolo Daimao tanked Goku's Kamehameha with absolutely no problem.

Also, Hakai has been proven to be irrelevant if the power of the opponent is too much. Toppo's use of Hakai meant nothing once Vegeta gained a power up, so if Daishinkan or Zen-Oh face a force of greater power than them, it's doubtful Hakai would mean a thing.

I'm not underestimating the power difference between them, the power difference is my entire point.

Did you not watch the TournamentOfPower?
GodOfDestruction candidate Toppo nullified attacks without using a Hakai as well.

Android17's attacks were instantly nullified the micro second they touched Toppo.


2. You're talking a variation in the power placed into the Hakai.
GoldenFrieza compressed 1 not so powerful Hakai & still had trouble against Toppo's

Vegeta has divine ki & was a LimitBreaker Blue SuperSaiyan when punching through the Hakai attacks.

Which still isn't much when not only is comparing apples to oranges when it comes to the Genki-Dama, but Initial Jiren > Infinite Zamasu and the former required effort and a slight power up to push back the Genki-Dama. Goku's Genki-Dama from Universe 7 alone ought to be on par with Infinite Zamasu based on that, so bringing up Infinite Zamasu's destruction as if it is so high on the pedestal doesn't work.

YES It is apples & oranges as the SpiritBall has never effected two different dimensions at once.

Which as I pointed out above, means nothing when Infinite Zamasu is likely not even top 5 when compared to the ToP competitors bar his immortality hax.

And those TournamentOfPower competitors are still not in his league.

And you have yet to present easily refutable evidence regarding Zen-Oh and Daishinkan's absolute superiority.

I've given you proof you just choose to ignore it.
The Gods Of Destruction, the Angels themselves, & the top 5 strongest beings in each universe bow down to him as he reign over them all.

Which is an incredibly vague term, especially with how much of a value Whis places on skill as well. Based on feats we've had in the franchise before, as little as a 20% gap or even less is enough for that to be the case (18k Vegeta VS Kaioken x2 Goku), or can be as high as tens of times. The fact is, we have no solid idea of how far above Whis the Daishinkan is, other than "a lot" and the most we have as far as actual evidence is the Daishinkan stopping Beerus and Quitela with a finger each. Even that is not saying much, considering not only is the most famous finger feat from an era before battle power gaps even existed (Kami VS Goku), but it has been shown that concentrating all of one's strength into the finger isn't a difficult feat (eg. Goku VS Future Trunks).
Not only that, but such a feat doesn't seem out of the realm of Whis' ability when the 1.5x gap statement between he and Beerus still applies. Even having the Daishinkan as low as twice Beerus' power would suffice for him still being far above Whis. No need to bloat the gap for no real reason.

First you're saying there's no proof & then you're saying the proof is vague.
So which is it, there's no proof Whis made the statements or Whis did state how powerful The Grand Priest really is ?

Nowhere near as much as the obvious flaws of your evidence and the immaturity you have in partaking in actual discussion.

Your argument is your opinion & you have every right to it, but you think mine is flawed when you are clinging tightly to the Flying Spaghetti Monster fallacy, then i can't help but laugh at your argument in this discussion i'm partaking in cause your being funny lol.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

GodOfDestruction candidate Toppo nullified attacks without using a Hakai as well.
Android17's attacks were instantly nullified the micro second they touched Toppo.

And it's relevant he did that to someone who was only a minuscule fraction of his power because...?

2. You're talking a variation in the power placed into the Hakai.
GoldenFrieza compressed 1 not so powerful Hakai & still had trouble against Toppo's

And that's relevant because...?

Vegeta has divine ki & was a LimitBreaker Blue SuperSaiyan when punching through the Hakai attacks.

So I was wrong in thinking Goku wouldn't use the exact same God Ki as a SSB when using the Genki-Dama

YES It is apples & oranges as the SpiritBall has never effected two different dimensions at once.

There's a thing called controlling Ki, the same reason every relevant character nowadays isn't destroying the Universe.

And those TournamentOfPower competitors are still not in his league.

Despite Shin clearly stating otherwise.

I've given you proof you just choose to ignore it.
The Gods Of Destruction, the Angels themselves, & the top 5 strongest beings in each universe bow down to him as he reign over them all.

That still doesn't mean there's light years of difference between each tier, you simply choose to believe so.

First you're saying there's no proof & then you're saying the proof is vague.
So which is it, there's no proof Whis made the statements or Whis did state how powerful The Grand Priest really is ?

There's proof of Daishinkan being above Whis, but no proof of exactly how much.
I advise you learn to read properly.

Your argument is your opinion & you have every right to it, but you think mine is flawed when you are clinging tightly to the Flying Spaghetti Monster fallacy, then i can't help but laugh at your argument in this discussion i'm partaking in cause your being funny lol.

That would imply my argument is founded on the idea that I see no evidence to not believe in something, therefore I believe it when in fact my argument is founded upon the idea there's no concrete evidence of how Zen-Oh or the Daishinkan would handle a Genki-Dama at least 12x stronger than the one Initial Jiren struggled with as the gap between them is vaguely defined. Therefore, my point is that trying to say the gap between them is absolutely huge for vague reasons isn't strong. I base my opinion on what evidence has been presented thus far, not the vague notion of "If x is this strong, just imagine what y could do."
I had no problem with your stance, but your way of handling it is what I find fault in. This is such a subjective topic where the evidence lacks solid foundation right now beyond the vague idea of Zen-Oh being portrayed as some untouchable tier so it's inevitable that it would be an endless cycle between two opposing sides. You did have evidence to your point (even if I don't believe it to be absolutely irrefutable), yet it took so long for you to bring it about that we ended up here.

I see no reason to continue this discussion any further when something which has yet to have a solid foundation such as Daishinkan/Zen-Oh's limits can never have an objective answer until the series defines such, and I certainly don't wish to continue it when you resort to childish insults.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

btw the genki-dama from the top was only from the characters in the tournament wasn't it? i mean like a genki-dama from the boo-saga where the entire earth donated its ki just even bigger in this case because it's not only the earth but all of universe 7 & the other universes

 

[VampireWicked]

And it's relevant he did that to someone who was only a minuscule fraction of his power because...?

You're not grasping the power behind Nullification.
You're saying Frieza is minuscule compared to Toppo but you're are getting the entire picture.

Toppo is only a candidate for GodOfDestruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVPTgimN9SU
YES Frieza & Android17's power are minuscule compared to his & every energy attack launched at him is nullified.

Multiply both Golden Frieza & Android17's power by a trillion & that's the multi-universe powered SpiritBomb.

Now multiply GodOfDestruction candidate Toppo by enough power to place the resulting being in the Top 5 most powerful in the multiverse.

That being's Nullification ability would nullify that multi-universe gathered SpiritBomb just as easily as Toppo did against Golden Frieza & Android17.
There's every reason to bloat the power of The Grand Priest because you can't do so enough.

And that's relevant because...?

From my reply it should be easy to put it together.

If a low level Hakai can do all that, then think what you get when you scale up.

So I was wrong in thinking Goku wouldn't use the exact same God Ki as a SSB when using the Genki-Dama

Goku's Ki doesn't go into the SpiritBomb when he is gathering the energy for it. Goku's Ki is used to push the SpiritBomb.

Why do you think Goku wasn't SuperSaiyan Blue when gathering the energy in the TournamentOfPower.

There's a thing called controlling Ki, the same reason every relevant character nowadays isn't destroying the Universe.

Controlling Ki involves focusing & or directing an attack.
Not the explosion itself.

Despite Shin clearly stating otherwise.

Shin is an idiot.
The East Supreme Kai had no clue on how powerful Saiyans were back in DragonBall Z, He was sweating over the likes of Yakon & Pui Pui. Shin's measuring stick is faulty & i'd take his assumptions with a grain of salt.

That still doesn't mean there's light years of difference between each tier, you simply choose to believe so.

You're right i choose to believe so simply because of what i've seen & have an understanding of how it's set up & not just because i wanna double down on an argument.

There's proof of Daishinkan being above Whis, but no proof of exactly how much.
I advise you learn to read properly.

That's advice you need to follow because you've yet to give anything beyond assumptions & very poor arguments on where The Grand Priest stands compared to Whis, while i've already posted a video of Whis stating where he falls compared to The Grand Priest.

Do you have anything official stating otherwise ?

That would imply my argument is founded on the idea that I see no evidence to not believe in something, therefore I believe it when in fact my argument is founded upon the idea there's no concrete evidence of how Zen-Oh or the Daishinkan would handle a Genki-Dama at least 12x stronger than the one Initial Jiren struggled with as the gap between them is vaguely defined. Therefore, my point is that trying to say the gap between them is absolutely huge for vague reasons isn't strong. I base my opinion on what evidence has been presented thus far, not the vague notion of "If x is this strong, just imagine what y could do."
I had no problem with your stance, but your way of handling it is what I find fault in. This is such a subjective topic where the evidence lacks solid foundation right now beyond the vague idea of Zen-Oh being portrayed as some untouchable tier so it's inevitable that it would be an endless cycle between two opposing sides. You did have evidence to your point (even if I don't believe it to be absolutely irrefutable), yet it took so long for you to bring it about that we ended up here.

I see no reason to continue this discussion any further when something which has yet to have a solid foundation such as Daishinkan/Zen-Oh's limits can never have an objective answer until the series defines such, and I certainly don't wish to continue it when you resort to childish insults.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Since you provided some answers, I feel obliged to make a last reply on this topic.

You're not grasping the power behind Nullification.
You're saying Frieza is minuscule compared to Toppo but you're are getting the entire picture.
Toppo is only a candidate for GodOfDestruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVPTgimN9SU
YES Frieza & Android17's power are minuscule compared to his & every energy attack launched at him is nullified.
Multiply both Golden Frieza & Android17's power by a trillion & that's the multi-universe powered SpiritBomb.
Now multiply GodOfDestruction candidate Toppo by enough power to place the resulting being in the Top 5 most powerful in the multiverse.
That being's Nullification ability would nullify that multi-universe gathered SpiritBomb just as easily as Toppo did against Golden Frieza & Android17.
There's every reason to bloat the power of The Grand Priest because you can't do so enough.

Hyperbole or not, there's no clear scale for the difference between Hakaishin candidates, Hakaishin, Angels and the Daishinkan/Zen-Oh. Battle powers aren't a linear scale of destructive capabilities as if they were, 1st form Freeza being just 106,000x stronger than an average human wouldn't even make him a city buster, let alone a planet buster.

Goku's Ki doesn't go into the SpiritBomb when he is gathering the energy for it. Goku's Ki is used to push the SpiritBomb.

And that Ki pushing the attack is still of divine origin.

Why do you think Goku wasn't SuperSaiyan Blue when gathering the energy in the TournamentOfPower.

Its stamina drain would make doing so immediately an unnecessary strain.

Controlling Ki involves focusing & or directing an attack.
Not the explosion itself.

Nappa could destroy a city in an explosion of which's power even Piccolo was shocked by whilst leaving his pod intact, despite it being something even those of Raditz's level could destroy. It's clear the damages of an explosion can still be controlled.

Shin is an idiot.
The East Supreme Kai had no clue on how powerful Saiyans were back in DragonBall Z, He was sweating over the likes of Yakon & Pui Pui. Shin's measuring stick is faulty & i'd take his assumptions with a grain of salt.

And yet none of the more qualified characters such as Whis bothered to refute him.

You're right i choose to believe so simply because of what i've seen & have an understanding of how it's set up & not just because i wanna double down on an argument.

From a lot of your initial point focusing on hyperbole, I'm not too sure of that.

That's advice you need to follow because you've yet to give anything beyond assumptions & very poor arguments on where The Grand Priest stands compared to Whis, while i've already posted a video of Whis stating where he falls compared to The Grand Priest.

1. Whis states he wouldn't stand the slightest chance against him, which is far from saying he absolutely needs to be several times, dozens of times or even hundreds of times weaker as you're suggesting.
2. Yeah, because it's actually possible when the most we're given is Whis stating Daishinkan's far above him and Daishinkan stopping two Hakaishin with a finger each means he automatically has to be dozens of times' Whis' superior..

Actually acting as mature as most of the other members here would be a start, but I won't be the one teaching you how to do so.

 

[VampireWicked]

Since you provided some answers, I feel obliged to make a last reply on this topic.

Hyperbole or not, there's no clear scale for the difference between Hakaishin candidates, Hakaishin, Angels and the Daishinkan/Zen-Oh. Battle powers aren't a linear scale of destructive capabilities as if they were, 1st form Freeza being just 106,000x stronger than an average human wouldn't even make him a city buster, let alone a planet buster.

The same 1st form Frieza that 1-shot an entire planet?

But see that's another reason why i have no reason to believe The Grand Priest or Zeno couldn't stop it.
As you said Power doesn't scale in a linear fashion, but i think you are trying to apply rational to crazy. And it don't work.

So The Grand Priest, Zeno, the Angels, GodsOfDestruction, etc can be as far above with a power gap as wide as Toriyama wants them to be.

And i fully get & agree with what you're saying. That until we see 100% no doubt solid evidence, then we don't know where the upper limit is.

However till then if it's implied they are that powerful, then they are that powerful.

And that Ki is still of divine origin.

Unless the energy is gathered from divine beings then No it's not.
Even IF it was what gives evidence that The Grand Priest who is ranked among the TOP 5 most powerful in the multiverse could not stop it or nullify it ?

Or the all powerful Zeno for that matter.

Its stamina drain would make doing so immediately an unnecessary strain.

No it would be energy drain if Goku was adding his own ki to the SpiritBomb.

Goku exhausted has gathered energy for the SpiritBomb, the stamina is used in pushing it.

Nappa could destroy a city in an explosion of which's power even Piccolo was shocked by whilst leaving his pod intact, despite it being something even those of Raditz's level could destroy. It's clear the damages of an explosion can still be controlled.

That was an attack, he wasn't blowing out an explosion lol.

That same attack is used in XENOVERSE & the player can lock onto an enemy, but once ignited the explosion hits that last spot of the intended target. The explosion doesn't chase them down.

You're moving the dynamite, not the explosion from the dynamite.

And yet none of the more qualified characters such as Whis bothered to refute him.

Whis was refuting him with each observation made throughout the TournamentOfPower.

Also are you sure Shin was referring to the difference in power in relationship to the participants of the TournamentOfPower, or in relationship to The Grand Priest, the Angels, & Zeno himself ?

From a lot of your initial point focusing on hyperbole, I'm not too sure of that.

Because as i said until it's officially stated or Toriyama says otherwise, then i have no doubt The Grand Priest or Zeno couldn't stop or nullify something of that magnitude.

You got anything official or Toriyama said otherwise ?

1. Whis states he wouldn't stand the slightest chance against him, which is far from saying he absolutely needs to be several times, dozens of times or even hundreds of times weaker as you're suggesting.

2. Yeah, because it's actually possible when the most we're given is Whis stating Daishinkan's far above him and Daishinkan stopping two Hakaishin with a finger each means he automatically has to be dozens of times' Whis' superior..

I'm not simply suggesting that.
Try moving their scale of power way up.

See The Grand Priest could be only dozens of or hundreds of times stronger.
The relation in power could be close.
But the gap between divinity & mortal can be as far apart as Toriyama wants it to be.

2. The only dozens of times powerful is fan assumption trying to put Toriyama's logic into their own box reason & understanding in order to make it make sense.

Actually acting as mature as most of the other members here would be a start, but I won't be the one teaching you how to do so.

 

[ahill1]

@VampireWicked --> Whis stating his power doesn't even compare to Dai Shinkan's =/= Dai Shinkan being multifold Whis. As we saw in the Freeza arc, Vegeta considered Kakarotto's power, which was slightly above 60k at the moment, to be in a dimension from the Ginyus or from what he was capable of... so comments simply hinting at a big gap without specifying its length is no proof that it needs to be a multifold or a 10x, 20x gap or whatever. CC isn't saying it can't be this way, only that there's no reason to simply assume it is with the lack of an objective statement quantifying the gap.

 

[VampireWicked]

@VampireWicked --> Whis stating his power doesn't even compare to Dai Shinkan's =/= Dai Shinkan being multifold Whis. As we saw in the Freeza arc, Vegeta considered Kakarotto's power, which was slightly above 60k at the moment, to be in a dimension from the Ginyus or from what he was capable of... so comments simply hinting at a big gap without specifying its length is no proof that it needs to be a multifold or a 10x, 20x gap or whatever. CC isn't saying it can't be this way, only that there's no reason to simply assume it is with the lack of an objective statement quantifying the gap.

That logic can be applied in either direction.

Captain Cadaver is arguing in the direction of a smaller gap when he doesn't know how wide or narrow it really is.

And you can't really argue for a smaller gap while arguing against a wider one & at the same time claiming there's no proof to support either direction.
The entire argument would make zero sense & nothing worth taking too serious.


I'm not gonna say i don't know.
I'm saying based on what's given so-far, i see absolutely no reason for my opinion on the hypothetical scenario to change.