Ginyu Force Questions

[p123]

1) After fighting Goku, Ginyu states, "I see now, you are a lot better than I expected." What did Ginyu expect? 60k?

2) Goku says that Vegeta has powered up and Jeice is no longer an unbeatable opponent. How strong is Vegeta now?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1) Yes

2) 50k, he still hoped 60k Goku and Ginyu would kill each other in battle.

 

[p123]

Why 50 and not 40?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Because according to Goku, he could beat Jeice in battle.
Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P12.1-2
Goku: “Vegeta, you defeat the other guy [Jheese]. You made a full recovery after almost dying, so your power should have greatly increased. He’s no longer an opponent you can’t beat…”
Vegeta: “Chih…So you knew, huh?”

 

[p123]

Does that tell you Vegeta > Jeice I think that just says Vegeta is on par now more or less

 

[sei'taer]

1) After fighting Goku, Ginyu states, "I see now, you are a lot better than I expected." What did Ginyu expect? 60k?

2) Goku says that Vegeta has powered up and Jeice is no longer an unbeatable opponent. How strong is Vegeta now?

Chapter: 284 (DBZ 90), P13.4
Context: after Goku lets Goku go
Ginyu: “You’re hiding even greater power! Did you really think that I wouldn’t notice…?! You were probably intending to preserve your power in preparation for fighting Lord Freeza, but don’t you underestimate me! I’m excited about having an entertaining fight for a change! So don’t do anything stupid!”

Chapter: 284 (DBZ 90), P14.1
Context: after Goku tells Ginyu to watch his scouter
Ginyu: "Kukkukku... I don't have to look at my scouter. You should most likely be able to raise it up to 85,000."

As for vegeta, he's at least as strong as goku's base then, as he easily defeats Jeice. However he feels that his increase isn't normal and then all he does is take a nap between fighting jeice and furiza so I'd put him much higher than goku's base at that point. Even if you go by nap theory, vegeta's zenkai there is immense.

 

[p123]

Vegeta vs Jeice > Vegeta immediately post sensu bean.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1) After fighting Goku, Ginyu states, "I see now, you are a lot better than I expected." What did Ginyu expect? 60k?

2) Goku says that Vegeta has powered up and Jeice is no longer an unbeatable opponent. How strong is Vegeta now?

1. I don't think he said ''a lot better'', he just said ''stronger than expected''. Place him at 63k and raise him to 70k
when Ginyu powers up.

2. Vegeta started as equal to Jeice, powered up to 60k and one shotted him.

 

[p123]

In the Japanese anime, Ginyu said alot better.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

In the Japanese anime, Ginyu said alot better.

A lot better than 60k, does one power up and still far below 85k? Screw anime.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

For the sake of Withheld's point, remember that 1,307 and 1,330 were considered barely above 1,000. A lot bettre than 60k would mean >>85k.