Gohan (Freeza Saga; post-Zenkai) vs 2nd Form Freeza (Initial)

[Fantastische Hure]

Who wins?

 

[Void]

No rage boost? Still Freeza.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta thought his zenkai would help to overcome powered up Freeza, right? I'd say he had himself and Krillin in mind when saying this. Gohan alone isn't capable enough.

I'd have it like:

Gohan: 900,000
Vegeta: 510,000
Krillin: 275,000

Freeza initial: 1,060,000
1st Power up: 1,300,000

I don't know actually. Gohan could be pushing 1 million considering Vegeta's sudden confidence in the team. I'll give it to Freeza for now though, as Gohan would still lose if he were over 1 million.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He said things finally seemed to be looking up for them and the Zenkai power-up gave Vegeta some new-found hope.

In-fact it looked like right before Piccolo arrived Gohan was going to fight him himself.

This was also powered-up Freeza. Stronger than Initial.

 

[SSJ2]

Yes, but he kind of had to otherwise Krillin/Vegwta would get demolished.

 

[SSJ2]

Here's a post I made about it when I wasn't brain dead. Perhaps Gohan zenkai is at least on par with his former enraged self?

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8998784&t=8481007

 

[ahill1]

I was about to create a topic about Gohan (post Zenkai) vs Vegeta (pre Zenkai) lol. I think Freeza still wins.

 

[Void]

I don't think Gohan was quite on par with his first rage boost, I feel like that would've been noted.

 

[ahill1]

How strong is this Gohan? Approaching 1 million?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Here's a post I made about it when I wasn't brain dead. Perhaps Gohan zenkai is at least on par with his former enraged self?

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8998784&t=8481007

I'd say so, even slightly higher. Freeza already made a power-up at that point, so even if Gohan was on-par with Initial Freeza, he might not be able to do anything against Freeza the way he was at that point.

Also when Gohan became enraged he beat-up on Freeza, but Freeza didn't seem too badly hurt by the attack, so I'd say Initial Freeza was still clearly higher than enraged Gohan. He was caught off-guard, too.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

It could go either way I suppose. He is definitely above First Form Freeza though.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta said luck is turning their way just a little bit, after Gohan's Zenkai:



Chapter: 299 (DBZ 105), P13.1
Context: after Gohan is healed by Dende
Vegeta: “Heh…Just as you’d expect of someone with Saiyan blood, after reviving his battle power has greatly risen…A-alright! Luck is turning our way just a little bit…”

What does the "just a little beat" mean? It doesn't seem Gohan's power is quite in that range yet.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegeta said luck is turning their way just a little bit, after Gohan's Zenkai:



Chapter: 299 (DBZ 105), P13.1
Context: after Gohan is healed by Dende
Vegeta: “Heh…Just as you’d expect of someone with Saiyan blood, after reviving his battle power has greatly risen…A-alright! Luck is turning our way just a little bit…”

What does the "just a little beat" mean? It doesn't seem Gohan's power is quite in that range yet.

Freeza (powered-up) >/>> Freeza (Initial)

 

[ahill1]

So what does Vegeta's comment mean? Gohan is already above himself?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So what does Vegeta's comment mean? Gohan is already above himself?

Well yeah. Vegeta can't do anything at this point, so Gohan is the one he's talking about.

Also look at the point Gohan is about to fight 2nd Form Freeza, I'm not sure whether it's this way in the manga but Gohan is the one in the middle getting ready to fight Freeza, before Piccolo arrives. I think that's a strong implication at-least.

 

[ahill1]

In the manga Gohan powered up and is just slightly ahead of Vegeta and Kuririn. It doesn't seem depicted so much that way in the manga.

But yeah, I don't think Vegeta would consider the luck was turning their way, even if just by a little bit, if Gohan were still weaker than himself, whom Freeza could tank a blast while off guard.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well still considering he's the one powering-up seems to imply he'll be heading the charge for the fight, if they do intend to fight together. If not then still since he's the one who'll be fighting...

 

[Void]

Vegeta blasts Freeza in the back after Freeza's first power up, right?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegeta blasts Freeza in the back after Freeza's first power up, right?

Yeah, when Freeza was attacking Gohan.