Goku and Vegeta's characterisation in Super

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So, it's safe to say that almost everyone is in agreement of Goku's characterisation in Super being a poor representation of who he was in DB and Z. It's more to him than simply being dumb and only caring about a good fight, however, as we'll get into now.

Son Goku

The first underlying problem lies in him actively choosing to fight Beerus despite Kaio's warnings. Given how Goku respected Kaio's wishes not to fight Freeza on Namek until no other choice presented itself, this is clearly against how Goku has been shown to listen to the opinions of others in Z rather than going purely by what he sees as right. You could make the argument that Goku gained enough confidence in his ability after all he's been through, but that lies in direct contradiction to a characterisation in the first episode that's consistent with his Post-Pure Boo battle mindset:

Episode 1
Time: 4m30s
Context: Goten questions Goku training.
Son Goku: "Yeah. You know how Majin Boo was really strong? I had no chance of beatin' him on my own and it ain't like someone like that couldn't show up again, so I gotta keep trainin' just in case."

The manga has a more trimmed down version of this too:

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That said, Goku being so eager as to fight Beerus despite Kaio confirming him to be far stronger than Boo, and not even starting out in SS3 in both the manga or anime (and even in the BoG movie, being as arrogant as to think about powering down to SS2) goes completely against what even Super had set up and left consistent from Z about his character. Not only that, but we have Goku not even remembering proper manners when Beerus shows up.

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Compare that to a far younger Goku remembering his manners when meeting Bubbles and believing him to be Kaio.

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As far as more parts of the BoG, they at least had a payoff to Goku's promise to get a job after the fighting was done and have him not be satisfied at a power up not brought about by his own efforts, so it isn't a complete flanderisation of his power.

It's in the FnF Arc where we get perhaps the dumbest change in his character, being this new trait of Goku letting his guard down. This was nothing more than a contrived way of nerfing Goku in situations where he could've finished things when not only has it been established time and again he's a skilled martial artist who's highly perceptive and doesn't allow lesser opponents to catch him off guard (dodging all of Jheese and Butta's attacks, dodging Yakon's blades despite the surprise factor) but the only time in which he's actively caught off-guard by an opponent not far stronger than him in Z was with Majin Vegeta, someone still equal to him in power and speed as well as having given him no indication the event would happen.

Bigger problems start to arise in the Universe 6 Arc in which we get a clear display of Goku's flanderised characterisation as a moron outside of battle, only scoring half marks in the exam:

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This shows a clear misunderstanding on what Goku's meant to be. His early self was naive to the world outside what he knew, yet clearly grew in knowledge the more he journeyed. His knowledge of the world was what was limited, not his mental capacity. In fact, this would go against some of his early training in which Roshi taught him the value of academic knowledge enough that Goku learned to count properly in a few months.
Then, we get more of Goku being way too arrogant compared to his Z self:

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As Goku said, there was no knowing when an opponent like Boo could show up in his own universe. He has no benchmark for Universe 6's warriors yet, so being so overconfident is completely out of line for even how Super's start established his character.
We then get the battle against Botamo. Leaving aside how it took Goku a fair bit of time to catch onto Botamo's ability being so similar to his previous opponent of Buyon, we see Goku sensing and casually dodging Botamo's Ki blasts.

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On one hand, this is good in portraying Goku's skill and fine-tuned Ki sensing. On the other, it's ridiculously inconsistent with the whole off-guard trait that was lazily introduced. Moving on to the battle against Frost, we see yet another addition that doesn't match up to his previous characterisation - being a slow starter when it comes to warming up.

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There's no case in Z where I can cite Goku, base state or not, as needing time to warm up. Did he need to warm up against Raditz? Against Nappa? Against the Ginyus, or Yakon? The only times when him warming up are mentioned are during the Freeza and Cell fights, the former case being a life-or-death battle in which all the Senzus had been used up and made conserving stamina very important, whilst the latter was a case in which he went in fully aware he'd probably need to rely on Gohan and decided to at least get a good scope of Cell's power because of that. There's no need for this warming up, or similarly starting off in base against Hit. This would seem to be a callback to his Tournament and Battle levels in the 22nd TB, a callback that is artificial in its implementation when not taking into account how that was before he learned to properly control his power as Popo made apparent.
Then we get the Hit fight, in which Goku displays the skill we'd expect of him in countering the Time Skip:

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This would be good if not for him also starting off in base despite having already seen a SSB Vegeta who's raw power was still above his SSJ form get wrecked by Hit. Then, at the end of the match, Goku quits in a manner that's completely against what his character was in the original manga.

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Bringing up him quitting against Cell isn't a valid comparison when in that case, he realised he couldn't win and that Gohan was the only shot they had. Here, he had the advantage against Hit and his reason for quitting was asinine. Goku has already fought assassins in Taopaipai and Tenshinhan, the latter of which was going all-out in a tournament like this. What exactly did he expect to be different outside a tournament. His desire to see Monaka fight is also inconsistent as, despite there being many other reasons for his choice, he did actively want to fight the Artificial Humans and actively test his limits against strong opponents as spelt out by Vegeta in the "You Are Number One" speech. The only way him quitting against Hit would work with his established characterisation would be if it was after both had been brought to their limits and Goku had realised Hit would win.

In the Future Trunks Arc, we get one of Super Goku's biggest cases of incompetence in not using the Zen-Oh Button quickly. Yes, Goku has in the past preferred not to resort to cheap options against a foe such as not wanting to use the Potara against Pure Boo. We also see him not ignore common sense in his critical thinking skills such as using boiling water against Murasaki or Roshi's sunglasses to counter Ten's Taiyoken, as well as not being so overly prideful as to avoid the best option in a seemingly hopeless situation such as using the Genki-Dama. That said, it makes little sense why he wouldn't use this once brought close to defeat by Zamasu and Black, even more insulting in the anime when this happened twice.
The anime added a nice scene showing that Goku still cares about his family in him getting enraged at hearing Black killed the Chichi and Goten of his timeline. However, even this moment is limited by giving Goku a rage boost when such things were a trait unique to Gohan and any other Saiyan benefiting from it weakens Gohan's character as a result (though this case is at least far better than MY BULMA!).
We then get incompetence in Goku mixing up the talisman with a coupon for the Mafuba. With how Goku has been portrayed prior as catching on to minor details, this mistake prior to going into a battle where he may die is completely unfitting.
In the manga, we then have Goku infamously mastering Super Saiyan Blue's power be condensing it inside himself. This is a pretty major contrivance when he never tried doing so prior despite Vegeta saying he realised Goku had caught on to this possibility, though I at least appreciate that this ties back to Popo's previous training on controlling his power and Kaio's training focusing on advanced Ki control, as well as being a logical step when Goku mastered basic Super Saiyan in order to mitigate its flaws.

All these pale in comparison to his actions in the Tournament of Power. We already start off on a bad note with not only the Goku who took on the Red Ribbon Army and quickly realised two thugs in West City weren't going to help him not catching on to that he's being robbed, but his skills being nerfed so much he managed to get scraped by a bullet, something that wouldn't happen after the first two arcs of Part 1.

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This is even more insulting to Goku's portrayal as a great martial artist when he's even shown knocking one of the gunmen away with a finger skilfully.

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To add a positive, Goku does at least show some humility more in line with his original self.

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We then have Goku reacting casually and confidently to the doom that could await Universe 7, despite Beerus pointing out Toppo already being a match for him.

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This is not how Z Goku reacted to situations, always being aware of the danger that came with an impending threat.
Fortunately, Goku thinking of having Freeza be the 10th member and rationalising his decision is one moment consistent with his characterisation of critical thinking and viewing actions in the bigger picture.
And then we get on to the actual tournament, in which Goku shows how much his intelligence has been plot nerfed in not using Shunkan Ido to save teammates from being brought out of the ring. We also have Goku jumping off on his own rather than thinking of a strategy:

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Remember how Goku used to be the person to come up with a plan and even spent time to mull over a strategy in taking down Raditz? Apparently that Goku's been replaced by a dumbed-down caricature. Even more insulting is him teaming up with Hit and using Shunkan Ido strategically against Jiren after all that.

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The manga then offers one of the most insulting parts to Goku's journey - him only judging things in raw power and having taken into account none of the lessons his masters have taught him.

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Goku having fine-tuned his control of physical strength and Ki control enough to condense all of it into his finger against Trunks, or even master both Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue through this. Goku thinking outside of raw strength enough to consider strategy against Raditz...all made meaningless by this scene. This shows that Goku is no longer Goku in Super, he's Luffy disguised as Goku, paying little attention to the lessons taught to him. His anime self is little better too, being caught off-guard even more frequently and holding back against opponents where prolonging the fight due to worrying about stamina would be even more detrimental. Even the payoff of Ultra Instinct is made pointless when he didn't even gain permanent access of the form despite mastering it enough to utilise its true form, even needing training in the current arc to reattain it. He couldn't even learn the one skill he had to in the Tournament of Power that was treat as so important for this arc and the single justification it could have as being more than glorified filler.

All that said, Goku's characterisation in Super is nothing short of a betrayal for all he's meant to be. Whilst we get glimpses of a return to the character we all know, these are few and far between flanderised, hyperbolic takes on his character flaws and artificially made flaws to make him too incompetent for all he's gained on his journey. With all that said, Super's take on Goku's character is an insult to anyone invested in the character by enough I'd rank him as a 1/10 character, 1.5/10 if being very generous.

Next time, talking about Vegeta's handling, a character that whilst having far more traits in line with his growth left intact, is still heavily mishandled when it comes to his core traits.
 

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Vegeta

Pretty much any new DB material made from 2004 and onward have had the same flaw when it comes to Vegeta's character and shows why milking a series and the presence of a major character that gained complete catharsis is a bad idea. Ever since the reworked ending of the Kanzenban release of the manga's final volume, the whole idea of Vegeta acknowledging Goku will always be ahead of him has been scrapped entirely as he's regressed completely, wanting to surpass his rival yet again. Despite Super bringing things to a good start in the way the events with Boo has changed his perception of his family, they also perform this fatal flaw and regressing Vegeta from one of his most defining character moments.

Episode 2
Time: Around 20m
Context: Vegeta thinking of his acknowledgement of Goku being number one.
Vegeta: "I have no intention of being content at staying Number Two forever! Someday, I will surpass you...No, I will surpass every living being in the universe....and become the supreme Number One!"

This backtracks on everything about the Number One speech. The whole point of it was Vegeta coming to terms with the fact that Goku would always be ahead of it and, thus, became a bigger man than one who only cares about a petty rivalry or becoming stronger than anyone. Despite Super having gotten the grasp of Vegeta's change in character towards his family, they regressed his other main motivation back to where it was in the Cell Arc. Speaking of which, it wouldn't be right to compare it to his change in attitude to Goku between his death on Namek and Goku's return, for contextual reasons I already covered in Vegeta's character analysis for Z. Also, on the subject of the Cell Arc, Vegeta going back to his attire of that arc and in the 2008 OVA don't line up with how he's portrayed in the Boo Arc when training or in battle, as well as going against the visual cues for Vegeta's change presented prior. One thing I forgot to mention as far as Goku shifting back to his Go gi after the U6 tournament and applies just as much to Vegeta is how Super cares more about having iconography than sticking with the logical reason for a character's design change. It's a minor problem, but one hard to not notice.

With the introduction of Beerus and the revelations of his role in Vegeta's past, we get some new addition that provides more for Vegeta's character in this new series. However, its impact is basically that of Freeza's to a far lesser extent when it comes to Vegeta's perception of his father, so it doesn't really add much.
Soon after, we get the infamous "MY BULMA!" scene. Whilst this would seem like a decent growth at first glance, it's overall the same as his reaction to Future Trunks' death but with far less impact, not to mention weakening Gohan's main gimmick of rage boosts. It's not as if Vegeta needed this to show the audience he'd grown, considering the Final Explosion and him putting aside his pride for a seemingly permanent fusion when hearing Bulma was dead and Trunks was absorbed performs this far, far better. The rage boost he'd later have in the manga during the Merged Zamasu fight was even worse, considering it was over a Bulma far different from the one he'd know and it was only from hearing about her death. It does provide Vegeta some evidence with which to change his view on Goku always being ahead of him, but through very contrived means.

Onto the FnF Arc, there's little to say. Him dropping the ball with Freeza isn't in line with his character when, as covered prior, Freeza is one opponent Vegeta would ignore pride for and make sure to kill due to his experiences. The only feasible way for Vegeta to fail here would be if he made an active attempt to inflict as much pain on Freeza as possible and missed his chance to kill him. His killing of Ginyu in the anime plays out in a bit of a fanserviceful way as well, seeming more like a means of having Vegeta get a confirmed kill on all Ginyu Tokusentai members.

The Universe 6 Arc has Vegeta's master-student relationship with Cabba as a new part of his character. This would be a nice addition if not for it being seemingly abandoned after this arc. His loss to Hit due to SSB's stamina was also a very contrived decision that weakens Vegeta's character when someone as tactical and aware of his own body as Vegeta would've known the price of using SSB so flippantly.

Future Trunks Arc has a few highs and lows. The anime did a good job showing his training methods with Trunks as his way of bonding and preparing his son, as well as telling Trunks to fall back in case Black proved too much for even he, whilst the manga does a good job showing Vegeta's martial talent in enhancing SSB's potency through bursts. Both have their flaws, however, with his anime self continuing the "I will surpass Kakarotto!" route and the manga giving him a contrived rage boost.

Onto the ToP, the manga provides a decent moment for Vegeta after being defeated by Beerus:

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It's nice to see Vegeta being humble enough to assess the situation correctly, even if this is followed by more "I will surpass Kakarotto."
We then see how concerned Vegeta is about being with Bulma for the birth, showing again how important family has become to him now:

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Also forgot to mention how much Goku not knowing when Gohan was born ruins his character with how stable his family life was shown to be at the start of Z. Later on, we see Vegeta has a lot more common sense than this Not-Goku:

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Forgot to mention previously how unfitting it is with Goku's character that he'd tell Bulma and Vegeta when, despite his rivalry with the latter, Kuririn has always been portrayed as his best friend. When Bra's born, we see a warm smile from Vegeta, a far departure from the man who'd at best offer Trunks a smirk and never hugged him until the time Vegeta expected to die for good:

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Soon after, he brings up #17, showing he's quite perceptive to deduce him being alive.

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After this, however, his characterisation takes a major drop, seemingly only caring about not being behind Goku. His Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is purely the result of this in the manga, showing how far he's regressed, and even in the anime the trigger for it was basically just an amped up version of the MY BULMA scene.
We don't really get much else on Vegeta's character until a slight return to form in the Moro Arc, with his way apologising of having killed Tsuno's villagers in the past:

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We then have Vegeta's quest of learning a new technique on Yardrat. This is a decent move for his character in his only official master prior being Whis and the spiritual aspect of the training may provide more for his character going forward, but we can only speculate for now.

Overall, whilst having far more natural development of his character shine through than most of DBS' cast, the major point of catharsis for Vegeta has been stripped away for little reason beyond giving him a reason to remain active in the plot, despite GT having found a way to write this in a way far more consistent with the conclusion of his character arc in Z. That said, whilst still far better handled than Goku, Vegeta's treatment to his character in Super has been more damaging than productive. Rating-wise, I'd rank him as about a 4/10.
 
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