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Everyone in the Fusion Saga is just on a whole other level. Vegetto stomps even in the manga.
EDIT: I'm a dumbass, I thought it meant Buu Arc Goku.
EDIT: I'm a dumbass, I thought it meant Buu Arc Goku.
Goku SSJ3 (end of Z) vs base Vegetto (Boo saga)
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Yamcha said:
Stronger than Gohan why?
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Mikey™ said:
Why not?
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Yamcha said:
But his base is equal with his old SSJ3 form, who's weaker than Base Gotenks... Even SSJ3 Goku would be trashed by Chou Gohan.
@Ahill, i'm using my mobile right now and can't acess my computer to write a good responde. Till monday i may be able to do it.
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OK maggots, EOZ Goku is > than current Super Goku, denying it is delusional.
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It does makes sense, nothing from EOZ can disprove the existence of Super therefore EOZ Goku is probably the strongest being in the universe and it makes sense for Goku to make Uub as his successor.
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This is pre DBS retcon.
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Even if we count that, Goku still wins though. I believe that only SSjin3 Gotenks and Super were the first to surpass Goku hence by having EOZ Base Goku being as strong as SSjin3 Goku [Boo arc] then EOZ SSjin3 Goku will definitely destroy Base Vegito and Buuhan but not SSjin Vegito IMO.
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Goku one shots in base, even against SSJ3 Vegetto
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Ignoring Super, Galu gets wrecked. I'd place Base Vegetto above Ultimate Gohan, who due to being beyond his natural limit, should be a level of power SS3 Goku should be incapable of attaining.
With Super's continuity, Base Goku's enough to oneshot SS3 Vegetto.
With Super's continuity, Base Goku's enough to oneshot SS3 Vegetto.
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He's scaling with Super's continuity.ahill1 said:
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Captain Cadaver said:
But isn't limit always retconned?
Okay, but I don't think it makes sense to try to fit Super with the end of Z power scaling wise. We'd have to assume base Goku held back a lot against Oob or this latter was simply way ahead of Kid Boo, both of which seems pretty meh to me. I am not saying you agree with it, just going against this idea in general.Spiral-Force said:
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@ahill1 Yeah, I see what you mean. It'd make more sense for the writers to introduce Uub in a new way rather than connect Super with Z's Ending Arc. But I won't be surprised if they lazily take the latter route.
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Last time I answered for Buu Arc Goku because I was being a dumbass.
Goku might be able to stand up to manga Vegetto as long as Super Saiyan 3 doesn't run out, but he still doesn't have a prayer against anime Vegetto.
Goku might be able to stand up to manga Vegetto as long as Super Saiyan 3 doesn't run out, but he still doesn't have a prayer against anime Vegetto.
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In most cases, yes. However, considering there's nothing to imply Goku did breakthrough such a barrier without Super continuity, I'd say it'd remain intact. Not only was Elder Kaioshin's ritual meant to be far different from other limit breaks, as he noted when Goku mentioned how common such a power up was, but Toriyama himself even stated in one of the Daizenshuu interviews that he couldn't think of a way for Goku to get any stronger, suggesting his EoZ self would be as far as his limits take him.ahill1 said:
Considering his base form is at best equal to Pure Boo, he's not rivalling SS3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan via scaling.
