Gokus 3/150 million numbers are pure trash

[p123]

1st Form Freeza 530,000

2nd Form Freeza Initial 1,060,000
Powered Up 1,300,000
Full Power 1,600,000

Piccolo Weights 1,350,000
W/o 1,700,000

3rd Form Freeza 2,500,000

Vegeta 4,500,000

Goku 6,500,000
FP 8,000,000

True Form Initial 5,000,000
Powered Up 6,750,000
Full Power Initial 9,500,000


This is much more accurate.

 

[SSJ2]

What are your power ups for 4th Form Freeza? The raised speed, and when he fought Goku with no hands?

 

[p123]

Yes. Vegeta can't see Freeza at all and Freeza is completely on the other side of his view. I think that's gotta be a 1.5x gap there. Then he seems to two shot Vegeta at that level.

Raised Speed = Warm Up Freeza >= Warm Up Goku > Initial Freeza

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo: 1,500
Freeza (3rd form): 2,000
Vegeta (Zenkai): 3,600
Freeza (True Form): 4,000
~ Speed up: 4,800
Vegeta's Planet Buster: 6,000
Freeza (Kicking the blast): 6,000
Goku: 7,200
Freeza (Warming up): 7,500
Goku (Full Power): 10,000
Freeza (Full Power): 10,800

 

[ChulpaBatman]

I would say a 1.5x is solid for Freeza vs Veggie. Freeza was too fast and when he got serious he kicked away Vegetas blast. Vegeta was drained and lost the will to fight after that one.


Super Saiyan Goku: 250,000,000: Worn Out: 200,000,000
Freeza 100%: 220,000,000 Freeza worn out: 165,000,000
Spirit Bomb: 175,000,000
Freeza 70%: 154,000,000
Freeza(blast to cancel out kkh): 150,000,000
Kaio Ken X20 +KKH: 130,000,000
Freeza(50%): 110,000,000
Kaio Ken x20 Goku: 100,000,000
Kaio Ken x20 Goku: 85,000,000
Kaio Ken X10 Goku: 50,000,000
Freeza(no hands) (serious vs Vegeta's blast): 5,600,000
Vegeta's(last blast : 5,500,000
Goku(full power): 5,000,000
Freeza(Initial powered up): 4,500,000
Goku(Initial): 4,000,000
Vegeta(Post Zenkai): 3,000,000

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1.5x is a bit too much IMO. At least for the moment Freeza blitzed him. He only blitzes Vegeta once and then taunts him before Vegeta goes apeshit and tries to blow up the planet. That quite reminded me a lot of K3 Goku blitzing Vegeta.

 

[p123]

I think he's 1.5x for the speed up. Around 2x for kicking the blast.

Vegeta has good amp on his attacks, it ain't paltry.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1.33x for the speed up, 1.66x for the blast IMO. I have Vegeta's blast as a 1.66x and that's huge for me.

 

[p123]

I think it should be 1.5x for the speed up. Freeza's ability is ridiculous at this level and then he goes on to two shot Vegeta.

 

[Victorious]

I can see the Final Zenkai Vegeta vs initial Freeza something like a 66% at minimum to even a 50% gap. Freeza punting the blast back though is a beast feat.

Kkx3 Goku could not punt back Vegeta's Galick Gun. SSJ2 Kid Gohan could not punt back Full Power Perfect Cell's Kamehameha. Not many planet busters get punted or kicked back.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo punted back 2nd form Freeza's blast.

 

[SSJ2]

That was a generic ki blast, not a hyped up amped ki blast.

 

[p123]

What's the relevance GS?

 

[SSJ2]

I assume he's trying to say you can kick back a blast at near even levels? Sounds like nonsense to me tbh. You can't even compare Piccolo knocking back Freeza's blast to the other situations listed.

 

[p123]

The level of the fighter doing the blast is irrelevant though. Only the blast and the punter are relevant.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea I agree. And considering Freeza used a generic quick blast there, I don't see why that sequence would mean anything.

 

[p123]

Yea, it's probably not amplified. All that suggests it that ki blast on equal levels can be kicked.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I meant you can punt a blast away if you're comparable to the blast. Piccolo's power was comparable to the power of Freeza's blast, as Freeza's power was comparable to Vegeta's Planet Buster. Freeza even had to put effort to bounce it back.

 

[p123]

Exactly