Gorilla vs Grizzly Bear

[Southern Gothic]

Average size and strength for each. Who wins?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gorillas have the advantage in strength and piercing force, most gorillas having significantly higher lifting and charging strength (gorillas being estimated to have an average deadlift strength of 818kg and aren't too far behind in their pulling strength) than grizzly bears (not far above 700kg) as well as greater bite force (1.3k psi vs just over 1.2k). However, bears are a lot faster which could bring things in the bear's favour depending on the starting distance due to the kinetic energy of the charge. The area of the fight also matters a lot. Gorillas would dominate in their habitat of jungles, though grizzly bears would do the same in their own when considering gorillas not being able to swim would put them at a huge disadvantage in that environment.
Nevertheless, I'd give it to gorillas more often than not for superior firepower and intelligence.

 

[Warmmedown]

Grizzlies have sharp claws while gorillas have none, grizzlies are heavier (where are you getting this stuff about pulling force from?)

Grizzlies are predators, Gorillas most are not. Bears are experienced in hunting, in some cases even hunting large animals like moose.

Gorillas also wrestle like spazzy day-one white belt retards, grizzly bears wrestle each other with better technique
Brown bears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6r81UOzIHg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KohIwZCkuuU
Gorillas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ8eKcGy8Ts and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T0z1CT-nR8

Most likely a grizzly would demolish a bear in a fight to the death. Realistically in the wild the bear would probably run away if punched in the eye, but assuming they actually both don't run away, the Gorilla would do some wing chun shite and get clawed in the face.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

(where are you getting this stuff about pulling force from?)

https://gorillafacts.org/how-strong-is-a-gorilla/
https://storyteller.travel/how-strong-is-a-gorilla/

Most sources consistently cite gorillas as capable of being up to 9-10x stronger than a human. Some of it is logical deductions rather than hard evidence due to getting a clear example of gorillas accomplishing various strength feats being very difficult to accomplish, but what examples exist present a very solid baseline for their strength. The 2nd link argues that gorillas could win due to being more agile and capable of ripping the bears mouth open. You're indeed right that the claws provide an advantage to the bear though, with it likely coming down to who lands the first hit (most likely the bear if they charge from a decent distance, though could be the gorilla if it starts from close range).
It's also worth mentioning the gorilla has superior dexterity, which would give the gorilla an advantage if the fight takes place in an area where it can benefit from it.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Although I respect Captain's wealth of knowledge, he is simply outmatched in this department. I present to you, Joe Rogan!
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[Southern Gothic]

The Joe Rogan discussion is what prompted this thread in the first place, as it came up at my work last night and the opinions where pretty much split. So I decided to bring the debate here for further analysis.

That being said, Rogan has displayed a long history of prejudice and bigotry toward gorillas, which is why I find his deductions dubious at best.

Team Gorilla all the way. Greater strength, agility, intelligence, and bite PSI. Though I should add that the fight should take place on neutral ground, something like the bottom of a swimming pool or a hard plastic cage like Magneto in X-Men 2.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm no expert, but I can't see a gorilla having any chance against a grizzly. Warmmup has it all summed up pretty nicely, a herbivore would never defeat a several hundred pounds heavier predator. Once the bear grabs a gorilla by the neck its over.

More bite force doesn't mean much if the animal doesn't know to use it effectively.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Gorillas are omnivores, not herbivores. And they have been known to cannibalize rivals or weaker members of their pack on rare occasions. I wouldn't say they can't bite effectively.

 

[Future Warrior]

From what I'm reading, at most they will eat insects and such not the flesh of other mammals. For all intents and purposes they're herbivores.

I haven't seen anything that says they would cannibalize one another (I know for a fact that chimps do though), unless there's something I can't find. They do often duel against each other for mates, but that's different from an apex predator that is known to take down a variety of large prey.

 

[Southern Gothic]

No, the cannibalism is rare. A quick Google search finds this:

"Gorillas: In the 1970s, primatologist Dian Fossey found remains of two gorillas in the faeces of a mother gorilla and her daughter."

And then from National Geographic:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/3/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/

Many cases also tend to be related to infanticide, if they are observed at all. This is why I said "on rare occasions" in my previous post.

We'll have to disagree on the "intents and purposes" part, because I personally stick with the official classification.

 

[Future Warrior]

Fair enough on the classification. The lifestyle that the gorilla has is more so the crux of my argument than the label.

Thing is, I don't see a gorilla even beating a full grown tiger. And I don't see a tiger beating a bear either.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I get your point. I think the eating of flesh, unrelated to insects, is probably as a scavenger rather than a hunter, or to kill the offspring of another alpha, so I do acknowledge and agree with the lifestyle argument you made.

 

[Southern Gothic]

For what it's worth, my goal was to ask as many people as possible in 24 hours. I got 45 total, including this thread and the final results were:

Grizzly: 27

Gorilla: 18

Close enough to be competitive but a clear victory for the Grizzly.

 

[Warmmedown]

Now get a job in a zoo

 

[Tapion]

Gorillas are strong but they're notoriously shit at fighting; they often get ambush-killed by leopards in the wild.

 

[Warmmedown]

Abdulmanap on training with bears:

https://streamable.com/a8rtsz

Albeit a trained bear.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

How many bullets can a gorilla take and live? When I was in Alaska, they locals told me unless the bullet pierces the bear's skull you essentially wasted the bullet and it will continue to try to kill you unimpeded. I think the bear can fight more effectively no matter what the gorilla does to hurt it. If both get extremely wounded and the fight end the bear is probably more likely to survive.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

That and Harambe did get owned.

 

[Warmmedown]

Harambe was a weak, first world Gorilla. A desk jockey.