Goten and Trunks unlocked SSJ3 without fusing?

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Let's say that Super Boo fell asleep while he was waiting for them to come out of the RoSaT, inadvertently giving the two ultra-prodigies so much time to train that they both tapped SSJ3 without the need of fusion. How does this impact the rest of the series?
 

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It probably wouldn't change anything honestly unless they treat it as an incentive to actually train post-Boo. They were a step below their fathers in equal forms that would make it still useless against Boo and their general irrelevance in Super even with fusion would leave it being of no use there. If the 28th TB is cancelled like in the anime, maybe Goten beats Boo there, but that's about the only change.

That is, unless them achieving such a form acts as an incentive for their fathers (Vegeta especially as Trunks would've surpassed him) to train with them regularly as sparring partners. In that case, Vegeta would view them as worthy fighters after some time and they'd be more active in the main battles in Super. One of them would replace Boo in the U6 tournament, though what role they'd play is questionable if assuming Boo's absence drastically changed the rotation of matchups. Trunks would help his future self train along with Vegeta before going to the future, making the group better prepared and possibly leading to a retreat to the past being unnecessary for the main events of the arc to play out. Their power and skill would be great enough by the time of the ToP that Vegeta would concede they need them more than they do Kuririn and Tenshinhan. Assuming their potential has allowed them some of the same buffs as Gohan or that they'd at least be equal to their fathers in equal forms, then Universe 7's victory comes a lot easier, especially if fusion is allowed, though they likely wouldn't be able to do much to Jiren alone. The Moro Arc wouldn't changed drastically as they'd be unable to defeat Saganbo or do anything to Moro.

If using the GT timeline as an alternate route, their prominence would be significantly greater. SS3 Trunks would destroy Lood on his own and when Baby possesses Gohan he'd either force Gohan to go SSJ/SS2 far quicker or even consider keeping Goten as his main body until finding Vegeta and only planting his egg in Gohan. The greater power of Goten and Trunks means Baby's transformations are far stronger than in the main series, with Super Oob having no chance and SS4 Goku not having the power to KO Oozaru Baby with the 10x Kamehameha if he already couldn't do any fatal damage to Baby. That said, Baby kills Goku and his rule goes unchallenged against the Dragon Team even if the Choshinsui is still used to rid the population of the eggs.
Mu and Gero still open up a portal to Earth considering Baby played no role in their plan and they'd have no way of knowing Goku had already been killed. Mu, Rild and the other Machine Mutants quickly join him, with the remaining villains bowing to his supreme power and joining his Tsufurian Empire. The Evil Dragons Arc doesn't happen since Dende would've probably been killed already and Baby seemed to have no interest in the Dragon Balls beyond restoring his planet.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Their power and skill would be great enough by the time of the ToP that Vegeta would concede they need them more than they do Kuririn and Tenshinhan.

So Vegeta is aware of the TRUE pecking order among Earthlings with Manly GAINZ UI Roshi on top :et

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If using the GT timeline as an alternate route, their prominence would be significantly greater. SS3 Trunks would destroy Lood on his own and when Baby possesses Gohan he'd either force Gohan to go SSJ/SS2 far quicker or even consider keeping Goten as his main body until finding Vegeta and only planting his egg in Gohan. The greater power of Goten and Trunks means Baby's transformations are far stronger than in the main series, with Super Oob having no chance and SS4 Goku not having the power to KO Oozaru Baby with the 10x Kamehameha if he already couldn't do any fatal damage to Baby. That said, Baby kills Goku and his rule goes unchallenged against the Dragon Team even if the Choshinsui is still used to rid the population of the eggs.
Mu and Gero still open up a portal to Earth considering Baby played no role in their plan and they'd have no way of knowing Goku had already been killed. Mu, Rild and the other Machine Mutants quickly join him, with the remaining villains bowing to his supreme power and joining his Tsufurian Empire. The Evil Dragons Arc doesn't happen since Dende would've probably been killed already and Baby seemed to have no interest in the Dragon Balls beyond restoring his planet.

What happens to Gero in this scenario? Does he still get killed by Super 17, or is he kept alive for his mechanical genius?
 

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Kenshi said:
So Vegeta is aware of the TRUE pecking order among Earthlings with Manly GAINZ UI Roshi on top :et
Even if he's not, Galu certainly would be aware of his top tier skillz :troll2.

What happens to Gero in this scenario? Does he still get killed by Super 17, or is he kept alive for his mechanical genius?
Baby certainly would, so he'd probably stop any attempts of a double-cross made after seeing Gero and Mu's combined work could create a Neo Machine Mutant stronger than he would've been without Vegeta's body. He'd probably do all he could to have the two scientists work on either producing new warriors or new tech to help make their group conquering the galaxy (not the universe :toei) an easier task.
 

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Wouldn't Mu hold a grudge over Baby using and killing him though?
 

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It's difficult to say when considering Baby was still the thing Mu cared about most and he was Baby's pawn from the start. He'd probably forego any ill feelings he had when seeing what a success his efforts to create the strongest being were, not to mention he'd probably realise it was a necessary sacrifice when Baby needed a way as to not be killed by the Saiyans on M2.It's not as though he'd have anything capable of contending with Baby at that point anyway unless he manipulated :)autism) Baby and Super #17 into fighting somehow in the hopes Baby would fuel #17 to the level he could kill him.
 

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I doubt Super #17 could kill a being stronger than SSJ4 Galu considering he had trouble sucking in the latter's 10x KHH. And if Baby is in character and not influenced by :toei PIS, he'd probably realize Super #17 was getting stronger off his blasts and just beat him to death without relying on big ki blasts or the Revenge Death Ball.

I think Mu holding a grudge against Baby is more likely, honestly, seeing as Babidi was in almost the same shoes when Fat Boo killed him in defiance and condemned him for it, even if awakening Majin Boo and controlling him was his original dream. That depiction of Babidi in Hell is canon to GT seeing as Z filler and GT have the same depictions of Hell.
 

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Mu was a creation of Baby who existed solely to fill his purpose and seemed to genuinely care about him as more than a means of seizing power though, whereas Babidi wanted to just use Boo as a tool.
 

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Mu wasn't aware of that fact until he died, though, and his desire to come back and try a second time to control the galaxy (not the universe :toei ) suggests he had ambitions of his own, despite being a puppet.
 

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