Goten Base (Current) vs Android #18 (Current)?

[SIAD]

I'm referring to those from DBS Manga Chapter 97.

Who is stronger and who would win?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Android 18 wins. I don’t think either of them have changed since the Boo Saga.

 

[Goku9001]

Android 18 was keeping up with Android 17 during the Moro Arc so she would curbstomp SSJ3 Gotenks.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

17 and 18 attacking at the same time doesn’t mean anything, but Moro lumping them both together as great energy is… interesting.

 

[Pyro]

17 and 18 attacking at the same time doesn’t mean anything, but Moro lumping them both together as great energy is… interesting.

Are they not taking the same hits?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Are they not taking the same hits?

Same hits as Gohan and Piccolo I think, and we know that

Ultimate Gohan > 17 >>> Base Gohan > Piccolo > 18

Not that getting stomped was ever a feat anyway. 17 was also “keeping up” and taking blows with KKx20 SSJB Goku and SSJBE Vegeta.

 

[Pyro]

Same hits as Gohan and Piccolo I think, and we know that

Ultimate Gohan > 17 >>> Base Gohan > Piccolo > 18

Not that getting stomped was ever a feat anyway. 17 was also “keeping up” and taking blows with KKx20 SSJB Goku and SSJBE Vegeta.

How do we know this?

 

[Super Kaioken Fan]

Lazuli Wins

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

How do we know this?

Doragon Booru Suupaa: Suupaa Hiiroo

 

[Pyro]

It says nothing of 17 in relation.

edit: Hmm. Ya know what? I kind of glanced over the fights again and nothing stands out about 18 in particular. She's never separated from 17 either, though. Apart from when she hit Shimishimi and 17 hit Seven-Three, they both were in total sync, and nobody separated them power-wise (more like the opposite). I mean, am I supposed to believe that just being 17's twin and attacking together makes up for the cataclysmic gulf in power between the early Cell arc and the Tournament of Power? Seems odd to me if Toyotaro still intended 18 to be unchanged in strength, yet even keeping up with 17's speed, let alone reacting to Moro.

 

[Classic Adamas]

If 18 wins, can she manage to defeat Dinodroid 1?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Powering up 17, 18. And Freeza to these ridiculous levels was a mistake. They should have just made new characters like he always did. Bring in Pikkon or something.

And we should have gotten Cooler or something.

Once it gets to god level it’s hard to start bringing in all of these new characters.

 

[Pyro]

18 is always inferior to 17. Apparently she can't even make the barrier that he can, despite the only noted difference between them in Z was her pre-production battle power minimizer.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Are they not taking the same hits?

They actually don't! Check this out:

Spoiler

Saganbo hits everyone with Gohan and 17 and then rams them to the ground. It cuts to other fights and when we come back 18 and 17 are standing back.

It says nothing of 17 in relation.

edit: Hmm. Ya know what? I kind of glanced over the fights again and nothing stands out about 18 in particular. She's never separated from 17 either, though. Apart from when she hit Shimishimi and 17 hit Seven-Three, they both were in total sync, and nobody separated them power-wise (more like the opposite). I mean, am I supposed to believe that just being 17's twin and attacking together makes up for the cataclysmic gulf in power between the early Cell arc and the Tournament of Power? Seems odd to me if Toyotaro still intended 18 to be unchanged in strength, yet even keeping up with 17's speed, let alone reacting to Moro.

I genuinely feel there's some "Twins have telepathic connection" thing going on, Toyotaro's writting is bad enough to do it, but I'd never bring that up in a debate. I'd lose all credibility. Though "keeping up" and "reacting" haven't been serious feats for a long while now.

My main problem with 18 is that she acts like she hasn't trained (She just shows up and says "I'm being paid for this"), but 17 also downplayed his own training in the ToP (Piccolo asks him what training he's been doing and 17 goes "Uh? Training?") so maybe she's being sarcastic too?

KP, do you think the boys have powered up? Doesn't have to be by a lot, but the Gammas do think they're hot stuff while Piccolo is trash. Boys together > Piccolo?