Gotenks base (pre RoSaT) vs Majin Vegeta SSJ2

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Mikey™ said:
I think Vegeta wins. Gotenks' confidence would also suggest Base Gotenks pre > SS3 Goku since as far as everyone besides Piccolo knew, not even Goku could beat Boo. The only requirement (for me) for Base Gotenks pre's strength is that he's stronger than Piccolo, since Piccolo obviously would've stopped Gotenks if he could have.

To be fair, it isn't only Gotenks' confidence. Although Yamcha/Krillin obviously weren't confident that Gotenks could win, they also didn't shut down the idea instantly. Wouldn't they have been pretty sure if he was below the likes of Vegeta?
 

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SSJ2 said:
To be fair, it isn't only Gotenks' confidence. Although Yamcha/Krillin obviously weren't confident that Gotenks could win, they also didn't shut down the idea instantly. Wouldn't they have been pretty sure if he was below the likes of Vegeta?

They both base it off of his confidence, and they could also just expect him to have a plan (like transforming into a Super Saiyan) rather than be basing it purely off his power.

Gotenks is clearly very far off from Boo, so them thinking Gotenks' power alone could possibly secure him a win would just kill their credibility if anything.
 

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Pakl said:
Set multipliers mever changed in Z... What makes you think Gotenks is an exception?
Ahill already covered the bulk of why. To add to that, there's the simple fact that Toriyama didn't write the plot with numbers in mind. To have battle power numbers and multipliers dictate the plot it the flawed notion of a fan perspective. The battle powers at the start of Z and how they correlate with statements and feats from Part 1 are enough to prove such.
Characters' strength should be judged by the feats and statements surrounding them, not rigid multipliers even the series' creator found to be irrelevant.

I choose to say it was gag... The entire scan was gag anyway.... Gotenks is a gag character... What makes you think he is SSjin 2 tier? Piccolo said he was strong but still weak for Boo..m he can be in par with Perfect Cell for all we know...
Then you're clearly confusing a gag character with a comedic one. The former tend to have inconsistent feats or exist purely for the sake of comedy. For example, Mr. Satan can be considered a gag character during the Cell Games due to surviving far more physical punishment than he should be capable of and overall existing purely for comedy. Arale is a gag character because she can evidently be as strong as the plot demands and characters even call her out as such.

Gotenks on the other hand is a comedic character. Whilst acting overly comedic, his role in the plot is taken seriously by the characters, as is his strength by Boo. If he were a gag character, then him being absorbed by Boo and the fight against Gohan that followed would be treat as such, yet that clearly wasn't the case.

Base Vegetto is a different story.. Potara is much stronger than fusion... Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than the kids and their fusion os more competent due to rival boost...
If there's a major exception to this rule of yours, it calls the very existence of this rule into question.
 

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SSJ2 said:
I always love witnessing Pakl's incredible debate skills in action. Damn, this dude has some talent for this shit.

I have been retiring of this debeates for at least 3 years since I got rid of my computee... Ever since then I use my IPhone so I don't have the same will for debates... Though in 2012-2014 I was undoubtly the best :galu
 

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Pakl said:
SSJ2 said:
I always love witnessing Pakl's incredible debate skills in action. Damn, this dude has some talent for this shit.

I have been retiring of this debeates for at least 3 years since I got rid of my computee... Ever since then I use my IPhone so I don't have the same will for debates... Though in 2012-2014 I was undoubtly the best :galu
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