Grandpa Gohan

[p123]

We know he was killed by Great Ape Goku. Now, how does this effect his power. I think it would make sense for Gohan to be a lot weaker than Oozaru Goku at the time of his death. That seems reasonable.

But it is really, really difficult to squeeze in these major gaps in power.

1) Grandpa Gohan can one shot Akkuman.
2) Akkuman can one shot Mummy.
3) Mummy can one shot Krillen.
4) Krillen can one shot Yamcha.
5) Yamcha at the 21st Budokai in most likely superior to Initial Goku.


Even though a 10x gap is absolutely massive, that's a whole lot of one shotting going on there. You could assume that Gohan has gotten stronger since dying, but I don't really think that is implied.

 

[SSJ2]

I think Gohan getting stronger is implied. Roshi was surprised that Goku in the 21st could handle the Bankoku Bikkuri-sho for so long, even saying that Gohan could not back in the day.

 

[p123]

Initial Roshi >= Grandpa Gohan ( Time of Death ) >> Ox King

Would you agree with that chain?

 

[SSJ2]

Yes. I don't think Gohan needs to be a beast prior to death, and if he was, it was probably many years back.

 

[p123]

So Gohan in his entire life of training can never eclipse Initial Roshi, but being dead for a couple of years allows him to gain massive, massive power?

Seems a bit off as well don't it?

 

[Uchiha]

I thought Roshi only beat Gohan because of the shocking technique? Not because of power

 

[Papasmurf]

If Roshi was too far below Gohan he'd have been finished before he even used the shocking technique. Roshi even admitted he'd have lost to Ten before seeing his full power despite having such an attack, so they'd have to have been even closer in strength.

 

[SSJ2]

So Gohan in his entire life of training can never eclipse Initial Roshi, but being dead for a couple of years allows him to gain massive, massive power?

Seems a bit off as well don't it?

Well we don't have context of his battle with Roshi, which would help this situation. Perhaps he was weaker when he and Roshi fought.

 

[Uchiha]

Yeah they're probably close in strength just wondering why it has to be Roshi > Gohan

 

[SSJ2]

I dunno, it seems first of all like it's a direct power statement of Goku > Gohan.

Chapter: 50, P2.3-5, P3.1
Context: about to fire the Bankoku-Bikkuri-Sho
Kame-sennin: “I’m sorry, but you’ve lost this match. [ ] You’ll see why soon enough…There’s only been one person in my life who’s made me use this technique. You’ll be the second one…The first was Son Gohan…Your grandpa…”

Chapter: 50, P12.2
Context: as Goku is about to give up while suffering from the Bankoku-Bikkuri-Sho
Kame-sennin: “A-alright…You held out well…Even Son Gohan couldn’t endure it for this long…!”

 

[Kyo]

That's interesting, although Roshi himself may have been stronger when he used it on Gohan so it may not mean much except that Goku, relative to the Roshi that he's fighting currently, put on a more impressive display than Gohan did against the Roshi that he fought.

 

[SSJ2]

That's interesting, although Roshi himself may have been stronger when he used it on Gohan so it may not mean much except that Goku, relative to the Roshi that he's fighting currently, put on a more impressive display than Gohan did against the Roshi that he fought.

True, but I find the stress of "Not even Gohan" to be a direct comparison to Goku himself, unless you're trying to imply that the attack always has the same amount of power, in which case, that would still show Goku as the superior.

 

[Kyo]

Nah, wasn't trying to imply that.

That could've been the intent at the time, although Toriyama tends to not think very far ahead.

Isn't there a line that implies that Gohan trained in the afterlife sometime during the Baba arc? I could be making it up but I thought something like that existed.

 

[p123]

Yea I think it seems implied that Goku, Roshi and Gohan are all on the same plane of power here. We can't predict the future here and assume Roshi had a much higher power previously.

But Gohan getting massively stronger in a couple of years doesn't seem right either.

When exactly did Gohan die? How many years before the manga starts?

 

[SSJ2]

Just think about Piccolo on Kaio's planet, after-life training can yield some crazy gains.

 

[p123]

Gohan getting massively stronger after being dead for a while is almost as unbelievable as Gohan only being as strong as General Blue prior to death.

I think Gohan deserves a bit more respect than that considering he's unrivaled in martial arts right?

 

[SSJ2]

So was Roshi though, and Namu was a rival of him.

Perhaps we take the reputation too far?

 

[p123]

Well I don't know. Roshi's power has to change a lot due to plot. So he's not really a good standard bearer.

Now Tsuru on the other hand, seems to be a perfect person to start making assumptions about. I don't think Prime Gohan is out of reach of this level.

I would think Prime Gohan can fight well with Prime Roshi.

 

[SSJ2]

How are you explaining the comparison between Gohan and Goku, then?

Maybe Roshi fought Gohan when they were only around 21st Goku level?

 

[p123]

If the series ended at the 21st Budokai, then I would agree. However, the series does not. Tsuru is tremendously stronger than Initial Roshi, why couldn't Gohan be a lot stronger as well?