Great Ape Fist

[FeatsofPower]

It's a 10x boost brajh

 

[Hector]

That explains how an almost dead Goku beat Piccolo with it, and how SSJ3 Goku overpowered Gohan/Gotenks in Movie 13.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That explains how an almost dead Goku beat Piccolo with it, and how SSJ3 Goku overpowered Gohan/Gotenks in Movie 13.

Good catch with the Ryuken comparison.

 

[FeatsofPower]

That explains how an almost dead Goku beat Piccolo with it, and how SSJ3 Goku overpowered Gohan/Gotenks in Movie 13.

Yep, can't believe I never noticed it before.

Well, I think Goku > Gohan in M13, that's probably the same accurate representation we get in the Anime in the Kid Buu Saga and it's the same we get in BOG.

 

[SSJ2]

It looks the same as Goku's post Choshinsui boost. Any time an Oozaru is shown I'd assume a 10x boost.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This is gonna be interesting.

Spoiler

Popo’s line makes even less sense now though. How does the way Goku uses his power matter if it’s not even 1/10th of Popo anyway? Unless the Oozaru Power could’ve given Popo trouble if Goku were able to maintain it… That actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[FeatsofPower]

It looks the same as Goku's post Choshinsui boost. Any time an Oozaru is shown I'd assume a 10x boost.

Exactly. That's what a reasonable person would assume.

Popo’s line makes even less sense now though. How does the way Goku uses his power matter if it’s not even 1/10th of Popo anyway? Unless the Oozaru Power could’ve given Popo trouble if Goku were able to maintain it… That actually makes a lot of sense.

The Great Ape Fist is clearly somewhere around Popo. Popo respects that level of power, he's saying Goku doesn't know how to utlize that power properly.

 

[FeatsofPower]

This is a great topic to pick back up on.

So is Popo over 10x stronger than Goku here?

 

[SIAD]

This is a great topic to pick back up on.

So is Popo over 10x stronger than Goku here?

Yes

 

[FeatsofPower]

Yeah, that changes a whole lot. Popo being 10x makes things quite bloated. But it seems like this is the best option. How is he dodging so easily when it's 10x, but is it 10x the speed as well?

That could be the option here.

Hmm...

It can be 10x the power, but not 10x the speed. If King Piccolo can see the punch, it can't be moving that fast, right?

So that would allow for Popo to dodge it...

But then again, if Goku is using a power that dwarfs even Kami, surely Popo would say something more than, "considerable power". If Goku is showing a Raditz level power here or whatever, it would be quite a big deal.

Sheesh.

 

[SIAD]

I don't see the problem with Mr. Popo being more than 10x stronger and faster than Goku.

You just don't have to follow the scouter numbers in DB.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Shouldn't be a problem besides the Farmer being at 5. You just need to make everyone like a .001 or whatever.

It's tough though. Power levels should really start from scratch with the Farmer being 5 and everyone else being above that.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Man, so I think this idea is finally fully digested.

Popo is likely 10x stronger than Piccolo and Goku. The power bloat in this saga is insane, it definitely doesn't get recognized that much.

So no way the humans surpass Popo until they train for the Saiyans.

If Popo is 10x Goku, how much stronger is Kami then Popo? I bet it doesn't have to be more than 1.5x or so.

Man! These guys are stupidly powerful.

There's no other way how to argue this either imo.

This also explains the finger flick ability. We always assumed 10x, just looks like it's a bit more than that. 15x or so should cut it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Kid Goku: 1
~ Oozaru: 10

Mr. Popo: 10 (Called it powerful and dodged)
Kami-Sama: 20

23TB Goku/Ma Jr: 100

 

[FeatsofPower]

Kid Goku: 1
~ Oozaru: 10

Mr. Popo: 10 (Called it powerful and dodged)
Kami-Sama: 20

23TB Goku/Ma Jr: 100

Looks perfect. Man, so we are going to go through with this? This would be the first power level list to do this.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah, why not. It's scouters-free and he's clearly drawing from Oozaru power.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Yeah, why not. It's scouters-free and he's clearly drawing from Oozaru power.

Yeah it’s just people balk at it. Too big! But yeah that’s Dragonball and even if that means Ssj3 is a 50x boost I think I’ll take that approach for this list.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah it’s just people balk at it. Too big! But yeah that’s Dragonball and even if that means Ssj3 is a 50x boost I think I’ll take that approach for this list.

Most people don't really care about Part 1 (and that's a shame) so I don't think anybody will care. There's an Oozaru image right there so they can't say much. I'm sure 23TB Goku being at like 1,000,000+ will be more confusing.

SSJ3 being 50x will be a real issue though. You're gonna regret that if you ever get to Super.

 

[Kyo]

Part 1 was probably my favorite part to scale but it's also hard, even though the story is pretty straightforward. You have to let go of a lot of preconceptions.

 

[SSJ2]

Popo was toying around with Goku. I see no reason why he can't be 10x stronger when he's hardly even trying here. He's got a smile on his face and is barely even moving around, yet still smashing Goku's face in.

He was so much stronger that he told Goku training would be a waste of time.