GSM's Part 1 Battle Powers

[GSM123]

While that's true, I think part of it also feels like a...

"Well if he did that to me, you are cooked, because you couldn't do that to me" type of mentality. Which I think is backed up by the invitation as well. "He looked strong."

I just don't think Krillin says Yajirobe looks strong unless he was.

You don’t think Initial PD level is strong? Bro could literally slice Shenron up. I’d say 60-66% for someone who gets a small compliment but no major feats. Is this gap even enough for Yamcha to fool Yajirobe like Shen did? I don’t think so.

He didn't, but it doesn't change the fact he's using nearly all of his power to do the technique. And this is a technique thats likely more forceful than the wind chop Jackie did.

Goku getting serious for the wind chop suggests that Chi Chi is a far greater threat than what you are suggesting

It doesn’t, but that fact is utterly meaningless if he didn’t need to. When Chi Chi says Goku has to defeat her he just smiles and says “That’s all?”. What a threat. Lol.

Yeah I think if Chi Chi was that weak then initial Goku could have wind chopped her Roshi-style.

Hand gesture aside, I think Goku’s was more impressive. Chi Chi is hurt by it and the others could barely see what just happened.

 

[Power Level Guy]

You don’t think Initial PD level is strong? Bro could literally slice Shenron up. I’d say 60-66% for someone who gets a small compliment but no major feats. Is this gap even enough for Yamcha to fool Yajirobe like Shen did? I don’t think so.

Yeah, I guess so. There definitely can be a decent range here, but I don't think you should be making Yajirobe weaker than Chaozu.

It doesn’t, but that fact is utterly meaningless if he didn’t need to. When Chi Chi says Goku has to defeat her he just smiles and says “That’s all?”. What a threat. Lol.

Sure, I'm just saying, she's wind chop-ish level. That's quite a large gap, but for FP Goku, that still makes Chi Chi extra strong...

For example, Yamcha and Krillin can't wind chop her, would you agree?

 

[SSJ2]

So you converted back to 3x Wind Chop now? What happened?

He got wind chopped in too many debates.

 

[Power Level Guy]

He got wind chopped in too many debates.

Haha, yeah, I can see that. There's really no way around it annnddd everything in the series points towards the gap between Roshi > Goku/Yamcha being absolutely tremendous. There's simply too much evidence in that direction, no reason to go against it.

He can't help but nerf things, but this one we've had locked down for quite some time. There's no way around it really.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah, I guess so. There definitely can be a decent range here, but I don't think you should be making Yajirobe weaker than Chaozu.

I have Yajirobe strong enough to one shot Chaozu…

Out of these 3 I think I’m the most satisfied with my Yajirobe placement. He’s respectable and can be used as a measure stick, but not quite a real opponent. Kuririn and Yamcha are closer to him than they are to Tien and co..

Sure, I'm just saying, she's wind chop-ish level. That's quite a large gap, but for FP Goku, that still makes Chi Chi extra strong...

For example, Yamcha and Krillin can't wind chop her, would you agree?

If Kuririn can wind chop Yamcha at the 21TB but still craps himself over it, then with Chi Chi shouldn’t be any different. I think you said once it’s a skill thing, and that applies even better here based on Roshi and Piccolo’s comments.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I have Yajirobe strong enough to one shot Chaozu…

Out of these 3 I think I’m the most satisfied with my Yajirobe placement. He’s respectable and can be used as a measure stick, but not quite a real opponent. Kuririn and Yamcha are closer to him than they are to Tien and co..

Let me see them lined up what are they only use hundreds

If Kuririn can wind chop Yamcha at the 21TB but still craps himself over it, then with Chi Chi shouldn’t be any different. I think you said once it’s a skill thing, and that applies even better here based on Roshi and Piccolo’s comments.

I don’t see your point. Are you saying a much weaker version of Goku can wind chop her?

 

[GSM123]

Let me see them lined up what are they only use hundreds

You could just go to page 1, but here it is:

Chaozu: 100
Yajirobe: 150
Yamcha: 240
Kuririn: 250
Tien: 500

I don’t see your point. Are you saying a much weaker version of Goku can wind chop her?

Yes. That’s what “I might have put too much into it” means, isn’t it?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yes. That’s what “I might have put too much into it” means, isn’t it?

It means he put too much effort into it? You are adding in the logic that he held back in the first place

 

[GSM123]

It means he put too much effort into it? You are adding in the logic that he held back in the first place

When did I say he held back?

 

[GSM123]

I was wondering if the amps could be more spaced out. I have nothing against Super KHH = 2.22x so we could benefit from the extra spacing.

WFF = 1.2x
Shin WFF = 1.33x
Kamehameha = 1.5x

But then that messes with Dodonpa, doesn't it? I don't think Dodonpa should be weaker than WFF... But Goku catching that Dodonpa from Tao is pretty impressive. Maybe we just lump it with Piccolo blocking the Super KHH as one of those defensive amp moments?

 

[SSJ2]

The Dodonpa has the benefit of being a small penetrating beam, so it can dish out huge damage without needing the highest amp. It's basically a death beam. I'm fine with it being weaker than the WFF technically, but it has a much higher destructive ability than mere physical attacks not much stronger than it.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I was wondering if the amps could be more spaced out. I have nothing against Super KHH = 2.22x so we could benefit from the extra spacing.

Will you make Cell's Kamehameha a 2.22x?

There's so many issues with making KHH that strong, you of all people should know of the many issues with it.

But then that messes with Dodonpa, doesn't it? I don't think Dodonpa should be weaker than WFF... But Goku catching that Dodonpa from Tao is pretty impressive. Maybe we just lump it with Piccolo blocking the Super KHH as one of those defensive amp moments?

Nah, Vegeta blocks Fat Buu's attacks too. Block is just haxxed.

 

[GSM123]

The Dodonpa has the benefit of being a small penetrating beam, so it can dish out huge damage without needing the highest amp. It's basically a death beam. I'm fine with it being weaker than the WFF technically, but it has a much higher destructive ability than mere physical attacks not much stronger than it.

I'm not sure about that. Chaozu's dodonpa blew up on impact. It's pretty much a finger Kamehameha.

@Power Level Guy yeah, that's what I meant. There's some kind of block amp. Vegeta was absolutely fucked up by Boo though... I don't think the block changed anything in this case.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I'm not sure about that. Chaozu's dodonpa blew up on impact. It's pretty much a finger Kamehameha.

That was a Super Dodonpa, not a regular Dodonpa...

@Power Level Guy yeah, that's what I meant. There's some kind of block amp. Vegeta was absolutely fucked up by Boo though... I don't think the block changed anything in this case.

Without his block Vegeta would have been killed right then and there.

 

[SSJ2]

@GSM123