Hector's Saiyan Saga PLs

[Hector]

What do you think?

PART 1

Chaozu: 600
-self-destruct: 2,400

Yadjirobe: 900

Saibaimen: 1,200

Yamcha: 1,250

Krillin: 1,400

Tenshinhan: 1,500
-tri-beam: 3,375

Piccolo: 2,000

Gohan: 1,400
-enraged: 2,100
-demon flash: 2,800

Nappa
-initial (Z-fighters): 3,500
-powered up (Goku): 6,000
-full power: 7,500

Goku: 8,000
-kaioken: 12,000

PART 2
Goku (full power): 8,000
Vegeta (initial): 9,000
Goku (kaioken): 12,000
Vegeta (more serious): 13,500
Vegeta (full power): 18,000
Goku (2x kaioken): 16,000
Goku (3x kaioken): 24,000
Vegeta (post beating): 16,500
Goku (post kaioken strain): 7,000
Vegeta (gallick gun): 24,750
Goku (3x kaioken + kamehameha): 24,500
Goku (4x kaioken + kamehameha): 31,500
Vegeta (post beam struggle): 3,000
Goku (post beam struggle): 1,350
Vegeta (post power ball): 2,700
Ape Vegeta: 27,000
Ape Vegeta (post losing one eye): 24,000
Vegeta (back to normal): 2,400
Gohan (enraged): 2,100
Spirit Bomb (Goku): 30,000
Spirit Bomb (Krillin): 15,000
Vegeta (post spirit bomb): 1,800
Ape Gohan: 14,000​

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Oozaru Vegeta > KHH+KKx4 Goku. His power was the only thing in the fight that got Gohan and Kuririn’s attention.

 

[Hector]

Oozaru Vegeta > KHH+KKx4 Goku. His power was the only thing in the fight that got Gohan and Kuririn’s attention.

You're the one who pointed out the Gohan who fought Vegeta almost evenly is the same Gohan whose PL is 2,800 blast amplification included. Unless you can somehow justify Vegeta losing a ton of power by having his tail cut off, I don't see any other way to make this list.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

You're the one who pointed out the Gohan who fought Vegeta almost evenly is the same Gohan whose PL is 2,800 blast amplification included. Unless you can somehow justify Vegeta losing a ton of power by having his tail cut off, I don't see any other way to make this list.

That’s what we’re trying to figure out in the other thread lol. I see 3 options here:
- Vegeta is piss weak, as you have it;
- Gohan got a bigger rage boost than before;
- Vegeta got weaker somehow.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Chaozu: 600
-self-destruct: 2,400

Yadjirobe: 900

Chaozu > Yajirobe I'd say. No reason for the opposite. Self Destruct is way too powerful.

I credit you for even attempting the rating, most of us avoid it out of utter fear.

Yamcha: 1,250

He could be this low, but he seems entirely too comfortable fighting them round after round. He easily dispatched of the first one and seems super confident. I like to give him a bit of an edge here, that after image went down too easy.

Tenshinhan: 1,500
-tri-beam: 3,375

Tri-Beam can't exceed Masenko.

-enraged: 2,100
-demon flash: 2,800

This amp is too powerful for Masenko and this part of the series.

 

[Hector]

Chaozu > Yajirobe I'd say. No reason for the opposite.

There is a reason. Yadjirobe has greater potential.

Self Destruct is way too powerful.

I credit you for even attempting the rating, most of us avoid it out of utter fear.

Piccolo expected it to have killed Nappa, so it must be considerably stronger than Piccolo's base power.

He could be this low, but he seems entirely too comfortable fighting them round after round. He easily dispatched of the first one and seems super confident. I like to give him a bit of an edge here, that after image went down too easy.

Fine. 1,300-1,350

Tri-Beam can't exceed Masenko.

I'm pretty sure it does.

This amp is too powerful for Masenko and this part of the series.

Still lower than KHH's amp even if we go by my BOZ numbers.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I agree with your self destruction level. I have…

Masenko > Kikoho > Self destruction > Piccolo > Kakusandan. Each blast that hits Nappa is stronger than the last.

 

[SSJ2]

Kaioken 1.5x...

 

[Piramid89]

I agree with your self destruction level. I have…

Masenko > Kikoho > Self destruction > Piccolo > Kakusandan. Each blast that hits Nappa is stronger than the last.

Do you think the Kikoho would have been stronger if Tenshinhan hadn’t been injured?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Do you think the Kikoho would have been stronger if Tenshinhan hadn’t been injured?

Definitely. Not enough to change anything though.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Do you think the Kikoho would have been stronger if Tenshinhan hadn’t been injured?

Blasts are always full power no matter how damaged.

 

[Hector]

Blasts are always full power no matter how damaged.

 

[Piramid89]

Blasts are always full power no matter how damaged.

Even Piccolo here?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Even Piccolo here?

No im saying the ones that have occurred every one of them has been full power.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Never seen Piccolos shins wow that’s weird

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No im saying the ones that have occurred every one of them has been full power.

I think he’s asking if Piccolo could fire a FP blast in that condition.

It’s definitely more nuanced than that. I’ve seen a guy do a whole ass cartesian graph to explain power vs stamina.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I think he’s asking if Piccolo could fire a FP blast in that condition.

I answered that. The answer is no. Then I clarified what my original statement meant.

It’s definitely more nuanced than that. I’ve seen a guy do a whole ass cartesian graph to explain power vs stamina.

Show me the evidence where someone isn’t doing a full power blast when they intend to.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Show me the evidence where someone isn’t doing a full power blast when they intend to.

This is such a weird take. So their power goes down when they’re tired, but they can still keep spamming blasts at full power?

I remember bringing up Piccolo Daimao’s Bakurikimaha last time we discussed this. Near the end of the Saiyan Saga Vegeta does a explosive wave who fails to kill anyone and complains he’s too weak.

 

[Power Level Guy]

This is such a weird take. So their power goes down when they’re tired, but they can still keep spamming blasts at full power?

Reality is often weird. But yeah, that’s what the evidence shows.

I remember bringing up Piccolo Daimao’s Bakurikimaha last time we discussed this. Near the end of the Saiyan Saga Vegeta does a explosive wave who fails to kill anyone and complains he’s too weak.

Ok that’s good, we got one. It’s probably the only one.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@Power Level Guy isn’t CG Gohan the only case of someone weakened firing a blast at FP?