How big is the SSJR Multiplier for Goku Black at the time he activates SSJR?

[SIAD]

Can it be greater than 50x the Base?

 

[Papasmurf]

No way in hell it's 50x base. Base Black >> SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Black is still below Hax SSJ2 Vegeta, and he then got a Zenkai that put him on pre-Rosat Blue tier before getting another one and then activating Rose on top of that. Unless his base stayed completely stagnant with all these Zenkais it's not even touching 10x base imo. Black's unusual and unique nature as a God in a Saiyan body seems to have made his base the same level as his Zamasu body, from which fighting Trunks and taking hits seems to have powered him up. But his full SSJR potential isn't several times Blue or anything so his multipliers are trash.

 

[SIAD]

No way in hell it's 50x base. Base Black >> SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Black is still below Hax SSJ2 Vegeta, and he then got a Zenkai that put him on pre-Rosat Blue tier before getting another one and then activating Rose on top of that. Unless his base stayed completely stagnant with all these Zenkais it's not even touching 10x base imo. Black's unusual and unique nature as a God in a Saiyan body seems to have made his base the same level as his Zamasu body, from which fighting Trunks and taking hits seems to have powered him up. But his full SSJR potential isn't several times Blue or anything so his multipliers are trash.

If you can, watch Chapter 22 of the Manga again. They show us Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" and Goku Black Base about to collide. Then they show us Goku Black SSJR defeating Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved".

Shouldn't that mean Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Peak) > Goku Black Base (Peak)?

This makes me think that maybe Goku Black only strengthened his SSJ forms by fighting SSJB Vegeta or unless Future Trunks has made tremendous progress in training him with Vegeta?

 

[Papasmurf]

If you can, watch Chapter 22 of the Manga again. They show us Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" and Goku Black Base about to collide. Then they show us Goku Black SSJR defeating Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved".

Shouldn't that mean Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Peak) > Goku Black Base (Peak)?

This makes me think that maybe Goku Black only strengthened his SSJ forms by fighting SSJB Vegeta or unless Future Trunks has made tremendous progress in training him with Vegeta?

I think Black likes to show off his Rose form since he has just attained it. He flared up his aura in front of Vegeta while smirking arrogantly saying even if you unlocked a new form, it's likely no match for my power and shit. He was so cocky that just seeing Vegeta smile made him lose it because it hurt his gigantic ego.

 

[SIAD]

I think Black likes to show off his Rose form since he has just attained it. He flared up his aura in front of Vegeta while smirking arrogantly saying even if you unlocked a new form, it's likely no match for my power and shit. He was so cocky that just seeing Vegeta smile made him lose it because it hurt his gigantic ego.

And then why did Goku Black use only his Base instead of SSJ when he faced Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Before traveling to the Past for the 1st time in DBS)?

 

[Papasmurf]

And then why did Goku Black use only his Base instead of SSJ when he faced Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Before traveling to the Past for the 1st time in DBS)?

He said he was using Trunks to purposely take hits and increase his power so I think he just used the minimum amount of power necessary to beat Trunks. Trunks is aware he has an SSJ1 state, so when Black appeared some time after Trunks killed Dabura and Babidi he needed SSJ at some point. My guess is he first beat Trunks up to give him Zenkais and toughened him up (explaining how Trunks has refined SSJ2 even better than Goku etc.), then used him to power up his base until SSJ wasn't necessary to whoop his ass anymore.

 

[SIAD]

He said he was using Trunks to purposely take hits and increase his power so I think he just used the minimum amount of power necessary to beat Trunks. Trunks is aware he has an SSJ1 state, so when Black appeared some time after Trunks killed Dabura and Babidi he needed SSJ at some point. My guess is he first beat Trunks up to give him Zenkais and toughened him up (explaining how Trunks has refined SSJ2 even better than Goku etc.), then used him to power up his base until SSJ wasn't necessary to whoop his ass anymore.

@Kenshi

So Goku Black Base (Peak) >>> Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Peak)?

I still like having Future Trunks get stronger by training with Vegeta, since Future Trunks went from being terrified of Goku Black to wanting to face him, when they traveled to the Future.

I also think that Future Trunks, when he saw the Goku Black SSJ vs. Vegeta SSJ2 match, commented something like "Goku Black's SSJ Form is much stronger than before".

I believe I have:

Vegeta SSJ2 > Goku Black SSJ (Vs Vegeta) >>> Goku Black Base (Vs Vegeta) > Goku Black SSJ (Vs Future Trunks) >= Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Post training with Vegeta) > Goku Black Base (Vs Future Trunks) >>> Future Trunks SSJ2 "Improved" (Before training with Vegeta).

What do you think?

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah I can buy that Trunks got stronger before they went back to the future given how ridiculous the power ups from bullshit like Mafuba training are. I agree with your chain @SIAD

 

[GSM123]

Trunks and Kaioshin surviving fights with Black and Zamasu were also pretty impressive, but I guess Goku and Vegeta arrived right after the fight started.