How high is young Future Trunks?

[Fantastische Hure]

Actually Daizenshuu doesn't sound like AT was involved in that at-all. Just something that he gave his approval to. He even commended the staff on the books so he didn't really do anything. To me it seems.

 

[GSM123]

He wasn't the guy who put everything together and printed the books, so of course he'd talk highly about the staff.

His involvement seems ambiguous though. He's credited as the author and the book and seems rather involved in it (Drawing covers and doing interviews for the books), but in some interviews he talks all like "These guys know better than me, I just made shit up when I was writting". Either way it's supposed to be a high tier source.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Besides the fore-word and the interview I think that's it as far as info contributions go.

I think Pakl is a high-tier source.

 

[ahill1]

Let's take a look at my numbers:

Mecha Freeza : 160,000,000
Future Gohan SSJ (1 arm) : 180,000,000
-- Base : 3,600,000
Kid Trunks SSJ : 3,000,000
-- Base : 60,000

That's applying the 50x multiplier, which I generally do for convenience. So Trunks' base ends up about as strong as the power Goku used to tool the Ginyus. I could stretch the gap teen Future Trunks has over Freeza a little, allowing for kid Trunks to be higher, but eh...

 

[SSJ2]

If you think any of that information came from Toriyama you’re insane. Idk how you put any stock in the words of a guidebook that clearly contradict itself on multiple occasions. I’m fine with using it for bonus information about things that weren’t fully explained in the manga, but it’s simply not a part of the story so it shouldn’t be taken as factual.

 

[ahill1]

If I were to ignore the 3M number, then Trunks is closing on Ginyu to me.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Goku at Freeza Saga is at least 6 million.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

If I were to ignore the 3M number, then Trunks is closing on Ginyu to me.

100k?

 

[SSJ2]

I think he’s around 50% Freeza level.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Let's take a look at my numbers:

Mecha Freeza : 160,000,000
Future Gohan SSJ (1 arm) : 180,000,000
-- Base : 3,600,000
Kid Trunks SSJ : 3,000,000
-- Base : 60,000

That's applying the 50x multiplier, which I generally do for convenience. So Trunks' base ends up about as strong as the power Goku used to tool the Ginyus. I could stretch the gap teen Future Trunks has over Freeza a little, allowing for kid Trunks to be higher, but eh...

That weak? That's not something in my mind but not that I disagree though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think he’s around 50% Freeza level.

I meant not transformed.

 

[SSJ2]

I think he’s around 50% Freeza level.

I meant not transformed.

So do I.

 

[ahill1]

If I were to ignore the 3M number, then Trunks is closing on Ginyu to me.

100k?

Exactly! Haha, I like seeing Goku at 5,000,000.

[mention]Fearless 2k19[/mention] I gotta admit that I don't have the impression that he's that weak either. Maybe the 50x multiplier wasn't at play there, given implications like Gero besting SSJ Vegeta upon absorbing powers below base Vegeta... Said that, I'm not even sure myself how to see a SSJ. I'm entertaining the possibilty of it not being a multiplier nowadays.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I thought that he was around 100-500k at very least. But with 50x multipliers tends to make the gaps huge.

 

[GSM123]

If you think any of that information came from Toriyama you’re insane. Idk how you put any stock in the words of a guidebook that clearly contradict itself on multiple occasions. I’m fine with using it for bonus information about things that weren’t fully explained in the manga, but it’s simply not a part of the story so it shouldn’t be taken as factual.

It may have came from Toriyama, but he certainly approved it nonetheless.

Power levels were never touched again after, so it fits the bill for what you said on "bonus information about things that weren't fully explained". Unless you've got some evidence that Goku's power level is not 3 million? Because I'd like to see that.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

If you think any of that information came from Toriyama you’re insane. Idk how you put any stock in the words of a guidebook that clearly contradict itself on multiple occasions. I’m fine with using it for bonus information about things that weren’t fully explained in the manga, but it’s simply not a part of the story so it shouldn’t be taken as factual.

It may have came from Toriyama, but he certainly approved it nonetheless.

Power levels were never touched again after, so it fits the bill for what you said on "bonus information about things that weren't fully explained". Unless you've got some evidence that Goku's power level is not 3 million? Because I'd like to see that.

"Is that a challenge? "

 

[ahill1]

If you think any of that information came from Toriyama you’re insane. Idk how you put any stock in the words of a guidebook that clearly contradict itself on multiple occasions. I’m fine with using it for bonus information about things that weren’t fully explained in the manga, but it’s simply not a part of the story so it shouldn’t be taken as factual.

It may have came from Toriyama, but he certainly approved it nonetheless.

Power levels were never touched again after, so it fits the bill for what you said on "bonus information about things that weren't fully explained". Unless you've got some evidence that Goku's power level is not 3 million? Because I'd like to see that.

If you can fit

Goku base (Full Power) >> Freeza (warm up) >>> Vegeta (Post Zenkai) >~ Freeza (initial) >>> Freeza (3rd form) >>> Piccolo > Freeza 2nd form (Full Power) >> Piccolo (with weights) >~. Freeza 2nd form (Power up) >> Freeza 2nd form (initial) > 1,000,000

In the 3,000,000 region, I'd like to see It.

 

[GSM123]

If you can fit

Goku base (Full Power) >> Freeza (warm up) >>> Vegeta (Post Zenkai) >~ Freeza (initial) >>> Freeza (3rd form) >>> Piccolo > Freeza 2nd form (Full Power) >> Piccolo (with weights) >~. Freeza 2nd form (Power up) >> Freeza 2nd form (initial) > 1,000,000

In the 3,000,000 region, I'd like to see It.

This list has done it.