How much effort did Hit use vs Goku?

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I mean, Hit was pretty much enjoying himself fighting SSJ Goku, knowing and even asking Goku to just go Blue already. How do we know he was using more power here or even the same power he used vs SSJB Vegeta?

 

[Papasmurf]

Beerus never noted his power went down and said Galu's power was supposed to be greater than Hit's. It was only due to the strain of constantly having to be .1 seconds behind and needing to account for that deficiency that Galu was tiring out faster. Same or similar effort that he used against 9% SSJB Vegeta imo.

 

[SSJ2]

Could Hit even sense god ki? Maybe he assumed that SSJB Goku would only be as strong as the Vegeta that fought him.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Could Hit even sense god ki? Maybe he assumed that SSJB Goku would only be as strong as the Vegeta that fought him.

He 100% could if even Raspberry could sense it in the Moro arc

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Beerus never noted his power went down and said Galu's power was supposed to be greater than Hit's. It was only due to the strain of constantly having to be .1 seconds behind and needing to account for that deficiency that Galu was tiring out faster. Same or similar effort that he used against 9% SSJB Vegeta imo.

Couldn’t Beerus’ line be in reference to Goku holding back forms? He’s supposed to be stronger than Hit as a SSJB, yet he’s dragging the fight as a SSJ1. That’s the impression I got since Hit too says Goku is holding back.

You think Vegeta was at a clean 9%? Do you have some numbers or multipliers? I’m going with Vegeta being at 5% right now, but it’s a bit too low. 6-9% is the perfect spot, but it’s too tight.

Could Hit even sense god ki? Maybe he assumed that SSJB Goku would only be as strong as the Vegeta that fought him.

I don’t think he can, and he definitely expected SSJB Goku to be on Vegeta’s level. That would still imply <10% SSJB >> SSJ though… unless Hit was expecting a very small boost.

He 100% could if even Raspberry could sense it in the Moro arc

I’m pretty sure Rasperry couldn’t even sense normal Ki and was relying on his scouter most of the time.

 

[SSJ2]

don’t think he can, and he definitely expected SSJB Goku to be on Vegeta’s level. That would still imply <10% SSJB >> SSJ though… unless Hit was expecting a very small boost.

I mean there is definitely a gap between them. SSJ Goku was exhausted very quickly into the fight despite being a FPSSJ, so clearly he was a good deal below Hit's level. He's probably outside of rivalling range of <10% SSJB Vegeta but made up for the gap with his skill.

 

[Papasmurf]

Couldn’t Beerus’ line be in reference to Goku holding back forms? He’s supposed to be stronger than Hit as a SSJB, yet he’s dragging the fight as a SSJ1. That’s the impression I got since Hit too says Goku is holding back.

You think Vegeta was at a clean 9%? Do you have some numbers or multipliers? I’m going with Vegeta being at 5% right now, but it’s a bit too low. 6-9% is the perfect spot, but it’s too tight.

I don't do DBS numbers so I just go by statements at face value unless they're hilariously stupid (like SSJ2 Trunks who's far above SSJ Caulifla who's above ToP base Freeza being compared to SSJ2 Gohan from the CG)

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I mean there is definitely a gap between them. SSJ Goku was exhausted very quickly into the fight despite being a FPSSJ, so clearly he was a good deal below Hit's level. He's probably outside of rivalling range of <10% SSJB Vegeta but made up for the gap with his skill.

Goku was tired because he was pretty much fighting blind though. Once Timeskip was overcome he and Hit were pretty much equals. If Vegeta was beyond their rivaling range then how is he near Hit’s level?

 

[SSJ2]

The point was made quite clear that Goku was exhausted quickly while Hit wasn't tired at all, and that was from a minimal amount of exchanges. Also if you pay attention Goku was only equal at the very beginning. Hit easily gained the upper hand which led to Goku being exhausted. They weren't even close to being equal at that point.

Vegeta wasn't Hit's equal, he was beyond it. The reason why he was beaten so easily is because he wasn't predicting Hit's movements like Goku was. If he had knowledge of time skip ahead of time he'd have put up a better performance than Goku did.