How powerful is Gohan Ozaru the first time?

[SIAD]

I mean, what Level of Fight does Gohan reach at that time? It's when Piccolo destroys the Moon.

 

[Animelover5487]

7,100. He was at 710 when he was in Raditz's pod and he looked just as distressed when he turned into the ape.

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention]

 

[SIAD]

I have:

Gohan (Emotions) = 160
(Ozaru) = 1,600

Piccolo called "unbelievably powerful" despite seeing the might of him enraged against Raditz. Even so, I think that his power without being transformed must be much less than 329.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't remember Piccolo describing it as unbelievable, only that it had great destructive power. Gohan need only be above Piccolo's full power at the time (somewhere above 408), so anywhere higher than the 500 range isn't really necessary. I wouldn't adhere to the idea of him being 10x 710 when considering even though he was upset by this turn of events, it probably wouldn't be to the extent of being captured and confined by a complete stranger whilst scared for your father. Gohan at the time of the transformation seemed more concerned about eating something that wasn't a sour apple.

 

[GSM123]

7,100+

 

[Hector]

Piccolo's reactions and statements ('He will destroy the planet before Saiyans.') indicate that he's above Raditz, but I don't think he's higher than Initial Nappa, because, for dramatic reasons, Nappa's power up scene should entail the highest power in the series until then.

 

[Papasmurf]

Maybe 1500 or 2000 at the highest.

 

[SIAD]

I have it at most with 1,500. I think that the declaration that it will destroy the Earth before the Saiyans arrive, does not necessarily refer to disintegrating the Earth completely, but it would destroy the entire surface of the Earth and wipe out all living things.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Piccolo's reactions and statements ('He will destroy the planet before Saiyans.') indicate that he's above Raditz

Not necessarily. Even the likes of Piccolo was already Small Planet level at this point and he didn't act as though Oozaru Gohan would be capable of doing so immediately. All Piccolo's reaction shows is that Oozaru Gohan is stronger than himself.

 

[SIAD]

Piccolo's reactions and statements ('He will destroy the planet before Saiyans.') indicate that he's above Raditz

Not necessarily. Even the likes of Piccolo was already Small Planet level at this point and he didn't act as though Oozaru Gohan would be capable of doing so immediately. All Piccolo's reaction shows is that Oozaru Gohan is stronger than himself.

How powerful do you find Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaoz when they defeat the Ginyus in the Anime?

 

[Hector]

Piccolo's reactions and statements ('He will destroy the planet before Saiyans.') indicate that he's above Raditz

Not necessarily. Even the likes of Piccolo was already Small Planet level at this point and he didn't act as though Oozaru Gohan would be capable of doing so immediately. All Piccolo's reaction shows is that Oozaru Gohan is stronger than himself.

DB Moon showed so many quirks in the early series that I don't take into consideration any feats involving it, gag or not.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

DB Moon showed so many quirks in the early series that I don't take into consideration any feats involving it, gag or not.

Firstly, unlike with Roshi's feat, there are no contradictions to Piccolo's when it lines up with the Saiyan Arc quickly moving into planet busting and no contradictions to the speed of Piccolo's blast, thereby leaving no valid reason to discount it. Secondly, even ignoring the destructive capability it shows, destroying the Earth before the Saiyans arrive (ie. just under a year) isn't that impressive at this point when a City buster like Piccolo Daimao made it apparent he could destroy the world in time.

 

[Hector]

DB Moon showed so many quirks in the early series that I don't take into consideration any feats involving it, gag or not.

Firstly, unlike with Roshi's feat, there are no contradictions to Piccolo's when it lines up with the Saiyan Arc quickly moving into planet busting and no contradictions to the speed of Piccolo's blast, thereby leaving no valid reason to discount it. Secondly, even ignoring the destructive capability it shows, destroying the Earth before the Saiyans arrive (ie. just under a year) isn't that impressive at this point when a City buster like Piccolo Daimao made it apparent he could destroy the world in time.

I don't think there would be any point in the Oozaru Gohan scene if Oozaru Gohan was weaker than the highest power level Gohan had showed until then (1307).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't think there would be any point in the Oozaru Gohan scene if Oozaru Gohan was weaker than the highest power level Gohan had showed until then (1307).

Him still being in a state stronger than Piccolo, with more stability for his power boost than his momentary rage bursts and with even less rationality (and more techniques than his regular self at the time such as mouth blasts) fully warrants the scene's inclusion regardless of what number he was at. Moreover, the scene was essential beyond "muh power scaling" for Piccolo blowing up the moon leading to the Power Ball scene.

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] Which difference is greater, the gap between Goku (Weighted / BoZ) over Goku (TB23) or the gap between Goku (TB23) over Krillin (BoZ)?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

BoZ Goku over his 23rd TB self. The gap between Moon/Small Planet level and Small Country level is vastly greater than that between Small Country level and City/Island level.

 

[SIAD]

BoZ Goku over his 23rd TB self. The gap between Moon/Small Planet level and Small Country level is vastly greater than that between Small Country level and City/Island level.

Goku and Piccolo trained very hard those 5 years.

By the way, do you think that Chaoz at the end of the training with Kamisama has tremendously surpassed the power of Kamisama?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

By the way, do you think that Chaoz at the end of the training with Kamisama has tremendously surpassed the power of Kamisama?

Most likely. The remainder of the training was spent polishing their own skills, which shouldn't be as beneficial as being trained by Kami. Yajirobe in particular was able to gain a battle power of 970 and that likely didn't come primarily from his own training (assuming he even did much).

 

[SIAD]

By the way, do you think that Chaoz at the end of the training with Kamisama has tremendously surpassed the power of Kamisama?

Most likely. The remainder of the training was spent polishing their own skills, which shouldn't be as beneficial as being trained by Kami. Yajirobe in particular was able to gain a battle power of 970 and that likely didn't come primarily from his own training (assuming he even did much).

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] Perfect, so Kamisama's statement that everyone surpassed him, does not refer to as if everyone just got over him at that time, but that everyone is too superior to him. Is there anything that contradicts that Chaoz is at Piccolo's Level (No Heavy Clothes / BoZ) at that point?

Another question, do you think 100 Tenshinhan (BoZ) can against Piccolo (TB23)?