How powerful is Marco?

[SSJ2]

In terms of any current characters, who would be considered his equal?

 

[Alex Boss]

I think Marco isn't far below the admirals Aokiji and Kizaru. I have them in the same tier.

 

[SSJ2]

He fought Kizaru on equal terms in Marineford, correct?

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

He would push Kizaru extreme diff and beat both Ben Beckman and Sabo. He is almost equal to Kizaru if not his equal. I think Old Rayleigh is Kizaru's equal while Marco is just a bit lower

 

[Alex Boss]

Yeah, he was doing very well against him and held on his own the whole time. His DF is really impressive as being a mythical zoan.

He might be immortal due being Phoenix. But thats just a theory.

 

[Kyo]

He can hold his own against the admirals, yeah.

Who says he'd beat Ben Beckman? Kizaru was a lot more wary of Ben Beckman than Marco at Marineford.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

He can hold his own against the admirals, yeah.

Who says he'd beat Ben Beckman? Kizaru was a lot more wary of Ben Beckman than Marco at Marineford.

Kizaru shrugged Ben of like he was nothing and proceeded to attack Luffy. He was like oooh cool its Ben Beckman. Marco and Kizaru were in a stalemate

 

[Kyo]

Nah man, he put his hands up and went "whoa" or something. Could've been sarcasm but I doubt it, they seem to know each other.

 

[Itachi]

Marco managed to hold his own against the admirals, he's not on the same tier as the navy's strongest powers.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

Marco managed to hold his own against the admirals, he's not on the same tier as the navy's strongest powers.

Kizaru couldnt hurt Marco and Marco couldnt hurt Kizaru

 

[Itachi]

So because Kizaru couldn't hurt Luffy when he was escaping does that mean Luffy > Kizaru? That's a bad way to form a power argument. The admirals were focusing on WB during the war. If the focus was on Marco he'd surely be dead. Once he was in seastone cuffs anyone could have killed him easily, even a vice admiral.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

So because Kizaru couldn't hurt Luffy when he was escaping does that mean Luffy > Kizaru? That's a bad way to form a power argument. The admirals were focusing on WB during the war. If the focus was on Marco he'd surely be dead. Once he was in seastone cuffs anyone could have killed him easily, even a vice admiral.

Their is nothing to say Kizaru wasnt going all out. They both were trading blows for a good while and fighting for a while off panel. Based off feats nothing shows that Kizaru the weakest admiral introduced so far can manhandle the firstmate of the WSM

 

[Itachi]

There's nothing to show he was going all out either, so what kind of argument is that? Most of the off panel fights were meant to be stall fights so WB can go all out and not be impeded by having to deal with multiple admirals at the same time. The admirals focus was on WB himself like I said or Marco would have been killed on the spot. They were only successful as walls, not as equals. If they considered him an equal or something they would have ended his life right when he was put into seastone cuffs.

Well Kizaru isn't necessarily the weakest admiral but he isn't Akainu either (strongest). I don't see how that goes against what I said.

 

[Alex Boss]

He can hold his own against the admirals, yeah.

Who says he'd beat Ben Beckman? Kizaru was a lot more wary of Ben Beckman than Marco at Marineford.

Kizaru shrugged Ben of like he was nothing and proceeded to attack Luffy. He was like oooh cool its Ben Beckman. Marco and Kizaru were in a stalemate

Why would Kizaru listen to someone like Beckman ?

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

There's nothing to show he was going all out either, so what kind of argument is that? Most of the off panel fights were meant to be stall fights so WB can go all out and not be impeded by having to deal with multiple admirals at the same time. The admirals focus was on WB himself like I said or Marco would have been killed on the spot. They were only successful as walls, not as equals. If they considered him an equal or something they would have ended his life right when he was put into seastone cuffs.

Well Kizaru isn't necessarily the weakest admiral but he isn't Akainu either (strongest). I don't see how that goes against what I said.

What makes you think Marco would have been killed on the spot by Kizaru. His attention at first was on WB then it diverted to Marco. That's why he attacked him specifically with Yasakani no Magatama. As well as that Kizaru's attention was clearly on Marco because when Marco's attention went away to WB he got hit. Kizaru was clearly holding him off waiting for the chance for him to lose concentration.mAlso I am pretty sure that Kizaru is the weakest Admiral.

Also sorry if some of my things don't make sense because I suck at typing on a phone

 

[Kyo]

I'm confused as to what point you're making in that last post, Epic. Could you try again?

Also, somewhat unrelated, but I don't mind the notion that Kizaru's the weakest admiral as no one considered him for the position of fleet admiral while both Aokiji and Akainu were nominated. Could be related to his personality though.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

Ok I am still on my phone so I will try.
1. When was it ever portrayed Kizaru could kill Marco easily if he wanted to.
2. Kizaru at first was focused on WB but later changed his focus to Marco. That is why he specifically used Yasakani no Magatama toward him. Kizaru was never trying to avoid him and go straight to WB. Even if he did it doesn't change that they were engaged in a equal battle.

 

[Alex Boss]

I dont have Kizaru superior to Marco either. Kizaru ends up stronger by a little margin, but Marco > Beckman is what i disagree with.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Whilst he managed to hold his own against the Admirals, it seemed far from equal. Kizaru blocked his attack with little difficulty, whilst teaming up with Vista didn't seem to give him an edge against Akainu. As far as which character he's most comparable to, probably Gear 3rd Luffy post-skip, or Gear 4th depending on how it compares to an Admiral. His rejuvenative factor would give him an edge in stamina though.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

Whilst he managed to hold his own against the Admirals, it seemed far from equal. Kizaru blocked his attack with little difficulty, whilst teaming up with Vista didn't seem to give him an edge against Akainu. As far as which character he's most comparable to, probably Gear 3rd Luffy post-skip, or Gear 4th depending on how it compares to an Admiral. His rejuvenative factor would give him an edge in stamina though.

Gear 3rd Luffy :what mg 2

Lol Gear 4th should not even compare to Jozu yet. Kizaru unlock d his kick and then was sent flying. They were trading sarcastic jokes as if they were equals like oh that hurts. I dont see where is the evidence that Kizaru was stronger. Also at that point Marco was extremely weakened. He had been hit by 5 beams to the chest