How powerful was Future Goku SSJ (Before he got sick)?

[SIAD]

Future Goku became ill 2 and a half years after finishing off Mecha Frieza and King Cold. Most likely, Goku spent those 2 and a half years training and getting stronger.

How powerful had Future Goku SSJ become? Will he be as strong as Goku SSJ (Semi-Sick) or as powerful as the Android Arc when healthy or something in between?

What do you think?

 

[SIAD]

@Papasmurf
@GreatSaiyaman123
@Animelover5487
@MikaelHarding

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

According to the Daizenshuu’s timeline Goku died in year 764 soon after returning from Yardrat. Then the special says he died 2.5 years later in 766.

If he died 2 years later then I think he’s as strong as Sick Goku.

 

[MikaelHarding]

According to the Daizenshuu’s timeline Goku died in year 764 soon after returning from Yardrat. Then the special says he died 2.5 years later in 766.

If he died 2 years later then I think he’s as strong as Sick Goku.

As strong as Namek goku because he never trained for the androids and slowly died by the heart virus

 

[SIAD]

As strong as Namek goku because he never trained for the androids and slowly died by the heart virus

So: Future Goku SSJ = Goku SSJ (Namek)?

 

[Animelover5487]

As strong as Namek goku because he never trained for the androids and slowly died by the heart virus

Nope. Gohan said that Goku was stronger than him before he died.

Future SSJ Goku > Yardrat Goku > SSJ Future Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan

 

[MikaelHarding]

Nope. Gohan said that Goku was stronger than him before he died.

Future SSJ Goku > Yardrat Goku > SSJ Future Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan

Nah Gohan should be stronger than Future and Namek Goku but still weaker than Yadrat Goku.

Yadrat SSJ Goku > Future SSJ Gohan > Future/Namek SSJ Goku

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Nah Gohan should be stronger than Future and Namek Goku but still weaker than Yadrat Goku.

Yadrat SSJ Goku > Future SSJ Gohan > Future/Namek SSJ Goku

But Future Goku went to Yardrat too

 

[MikaelHarding]

But Future Goku went to Yardrat too

Did he?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Did he?

Yes. The timelines only start to change when Trunks kills Freeza.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Yes. The timelines only start to change when Trunks kills Freeza.

Then he should be a little stronger than Fut. SSJ Vegeta who was weaker in that timeline too.

 

[SIAD]

Then he should be a little stronger than Fut. SSJ Vegeta who was weaker in that timeline too.

What level do you give to Future Goku SSJ and Future Vegeta SSJ?

 

[MikaelHarding]

What level do you give to Future Goku SSJ and Future Vegeta SSJ?

Fut. Goku SSJ: 175
Fut. Vegeta SSJ: 160

 

[Spiral-Force]

Trunks said Goku would get sick not too long after Mecha Frieza's defeat, so Future Goku (pre-sickness) is basically the same as before.

 

[SIAD]

Trunks said Goku would get sick not too long after Mecha Frieza's defeat, so Future Goku (pre-sickness) is basically the same as before.

What level do you give to:

Frieza 100%

Goku SSJ (Namek)

Mecha Freeza

Future Gohan SSJ (1 Arm)

Future Trunks SSJ (Debut)

Goku SSJ (Post Yadart)

Future Vegeta SSJ

Goku SSJ (Semi Sick).

 

[Spiral-Force]

@SIAD

Frieza 100% - Official PL

Goku SSJ (Namek) - Official PL

Mecha Frieza - Stronger than his Namek self, but weaker than Namek SSJ Goku

Future Gohan SSJ (1 Arm) - Around SSJ Goku (before death) like he alluded to in his talk with Trunks

Future Trunks SSJ (Debut) - I assume you mean 17 year old Trunks (as opposed to when he first achieved SSJ years before that). If so, then equivalent to SSJ Goku during this period

Goku SSJ (Post Yardrat) - Basically the same as before. Now with the ability to transform at will, and to teleport

Future Vegeta SSJ - Since Future Goku seemed to be treated as the benchmark, I'd say just under Goku excluding active sickness

Goku SSJ (Semi Sick) - His ki was said to be dropping rapidly when the sickness started taking effect against #19. Namek SSJ Goku would comfortably beat this version of Goku

If you want me to go into more detail with any of these, feel free to let me know.

 

[Animelover5487]

@SIAD

Frieza 100% - Official PL

Goku SSJ (Namek) - Official PL

Mecha Frieza - Stronger than his Namek self, but weaker than Namek SSJ Goku

Future Gohan SSJ (1 Arm) - Around SSJ Goku (before death) like he alluded to in his talk with Trunks

Future Trunks SSJ (Debut) - I assume you mean 17 year old Trunks (as opposed to when he first achieved SSJ years before that). If so, then equivalent to SSJ Goku during this period

Goku SSJ (Post Yardrat) - Basically the same as before. Now with the ability to transform at will, and to teleport

Future Vegeta SSJ - Since Future Goku seemed to be treated as the benchmark, I'd say just under Goku excluding active sickness

Goku SSJ (Semi Sick) - His ki was said to be dropping rapidly when the sickness started taking effect against #19. Namek SSJ Goku would comfortably beat this version of Goku

If you want me to go into more detail with any of these, feel free to let me know.

100% Freeza was atleast 90% of SSJ Goku, and Mecha Freeza > Namek SSJ Goku

 

[Spiral-Force]

100% Freeza was atleast 90% of SSJ Goku, and Mecha Freeza > Namek SSJ Goku

The series doesn't appear to have a fixed framework for how a PL differential translates to a fight beyond the stronger character generally being the favourite to win. Digging into numbers beyond that quickly becomes arbitrary.

I'd argue that a PL doesn't act as much more than a supplementary tool for a fight that can be analysed without it through statements and feats, with the latter factors being fundamental to all fictional battles and not just Dragon Ball.

Could you explain your Mecha Frieza scaling?

 

[Animelover5487]

The series doesn't appear to have a fixed framework for how a PL differential translates to a fight beyond the stronger character generally being the favourite to win. Digging into numbers beyond that quickly becomes arbitrary.

I'd argue that a PL doesn't act as much more than a supplementary tool for a fight that can be analysed without it through statements and feats, with the latter factors being fundamental to all fictional battles and not just Dragon Ball.

Could you explain your Mecha Frieza scaling?

There is some subjectivity to gaps but if a fight is relatively close or the victor wins with mid-high diff than logically the gap isn't big. Goku was stronger than Freeza but he only really got a solid advantage when Freeza's stamina started to drop. Goku would have won even without the strain but he would have had to work for it.

As for Mecha Freeza. Freeza's cybernetics likely made him notably stronger seeing as everytime we see a character get cybernetics they get massively stronger such as #17 & 18, and Tao Pai Pai. And Freeza already wasn't far behind SSJ Goku on Namek.

 

[Spiral-Force]

There is some subjectivity to gaps but if a fight is relatively close or the victor wins with mid-high diff than logically the gap isn't big. Goku was stronger than Freeza but he only really got a solid advantage when Freeza's stamina started to drop. Goku would have won even without the strain but he would have had to work for it.

As for Mecha Freeza. Freeza's cybernetics likely made him notably stronger seeing as everytime we see a character get cybernetics they get massively stronger such as #17 & 18, and Tao Pai Pai. And Freeza already wasn't far behind SSJ Goku on Namek.

Trying to 'resolve' official levels brings into question the foundation that is being stood on. 5 different people could give the same summary of a fight between character X and Y, yet all have different PL gaps for those beings. With the official PLs, Frieza makes up the majority of Goku's power, so I do not feel the need to tinker with anything.

Gauging cybernetic upgrades from different sources is too broad to confirm anything. With Mecha Frieza, it comes down to where you draw the line with his confidence, because he believed that he would beat Goku but that didn't work out for him in the future timeline. Goku said mastering teleportation took a lot of time, and on top of that, had to find time for being able transform into Super Saiyan at will. Besides those factors, there didn't appear to be any noteworthy change.