How strong are Androids 19 and 20?

[kriss-]

During their initial introduction?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Stronger than Freeza and Trunks.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Piccolo said #20 was too strong for Gohan, Krillin, and Tien. Base Goku's punch on #20 barely did anything.

So they're stronger than Yamcha, the Base Saiyans, Gohan, Krillin, and Tien.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

They are stronger than Base Saiyans, but weaker than Freeza.

 

[Saylee]

They are stronger then Goku was after he came back from Yardrat.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

If they were that strong, then surely their lack of information on the Super Saiyan form then wouldn't cost them the fight, unlike what Piccolo says.

 

[sei'taer]

I still have a hard time increasing piccolo's power some 100 times in the 3 years.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I still have a hard time increasing piccolo's power some 100 times in the 3 years.

Simple, Piccolo is favorite.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Android 19 post is still probably around Yardrat Goku's power, because Vegeta said they weren't as powerful as Trunks had suggested.

EDIT: Oh wait, this is pre absorption.

Well, in that case, I'd put 19 pre around SSj Trunks when he defeated Freeza, because he survived attacks from Sick Goku, who according to Piccolo, is close to his usual full power.

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”

Android 20 pre I put stronger than 19 post, because he managed to surprise Vegeta with his speed.

Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P12.3
Context: after No.20 flees
Vegeta: “Damn it all! He’s quicker than I thought…!”

 

[Zippy]

I agree with above

 

[Papasmurf]

I still have a hard time increasing piccolo's power some 100 times in the 3 years.

No other way unless sick SSJ Goku is like 3x weaker than his Namek self which is BS. And if Toriyama cared about training BS he wouldn't have made plot haxes like post-Ginyu Goku. Also 17 needed two strikes to down Piccolo.

 

[Future Warrior]

I still have 19 post slightly weaker than Yardrat Goku

 

[xmysticgohanx]

19 pre is around SSJ Future Trunks

 

[ahill1]

pre absorptions : Yardrat Goku ~ #20 > #19 > SSJ future Trunks (Mecha Freeza)
post absorptions : #20 > #19 > Yardrat Goku

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

No other way unless sick SSJ Goku is like 3x weaker than his Namek self which is BS. .

Why should it be bullsh*t?I personally don't think Sick SSJ Goku is weaker than Freeza, but it doesn't really contradict anything.

 

[Male]

Given how easily they were beaten down by the heroes despite the drastic amounts of power they supposedly gained through absorption (and the heroes thus inversely lost), one would think that their starting levels would be pretty low. Everyone's mileage may vary, but the way I usually see it, neither one of them surpassed 100% Freeza's power until after they'd absorbed a whole lot of Ki from the heroes.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

You said in another topic that you had Piccolo>Goku fighting #19, but think Freeza>Piccolo based on what Kami says.

So do you have Piccolo above Freeza or not?

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

You said in another topic that you had Piccolo>Goku fighting #19, but think Freeza>Piccolo based on what Kami says.

So do you have Piccolo above Freeza or not?

I am inconsistent with it, but my overall opinion is that both Sick SSJ Goku and Piccolo and subsequently the two fake androids are at least a lot weaker than SSJ Trunks.
Going by Kami's line, it's possible Piccolo is strong enough to beat Freeza, but not enough to just completely destroy him like Trunks.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Pre Absorptions I have them weaker than Frieza (60 & 90 mil respectively).
Post Absorptions I have them stronger than Frieza (220 & 200 mil respectively).

 

[kriss-]

Trunks SSj (Androids) =/= Trunks SSj (Mecha Freeza) > Piccolo (Androids) > Goku SSj (Namek) > Android 20 >= Android 19