How strong do you have South Kaioshin?

[SSJ2]

?

 

[GSM123]

Above SSJ3 Goku, but below SSJ Gohan. If we count Super, then above SSJ Blue.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Between Evil Boo and SS3 Gotenks. Kibitoshin saying Boo "somehow" absorbed him suggests he was someone Boo wouldn't be able to beat in a direct fight and it's easier to just have the boost be additive rather than having his God Ki have magical nonsense effects. As for the Gohan situation, Kibito only states "many" Kaioshin tried rather than all which doesn't confirm SK tried removing the DBZeta-Sword. I guess if you want to include Super into the mix, that just makes South Kaioshin being below a Pre-Ultimate Gohan even less likely too.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Equal to Kid Buu.

 

[GSM123]

Between Evil Boo and SS3 Gotenks. Kibitoshin saying Boo "somehow" absorbed him suggests he was someone Boo wouldn't be able to beat in a direct fight and it's easier to just have the boost be additive rather than having his God Ki have magical nonsense effects. As for the Gohan situation, Kibito only states "many" Kaioshin tried rather than all which doesn't confirm SK tried removing the DBZeta-Sword. I guess if you want to include Super into the mix, that just makes South Kaioshin being below a Pre-Ultimate Gohan even less likely too.

Why couldn't South Kaioshin just one shot Pure Boo then though?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Well, regeneration, for one 2
He didn't seem like he had any techniques capable of completely enveloping Boo, which would make a huge power advantage irrelevant.

 

[Void]

About the same as pre-RoSaT SS Gotenks.

 

[GSM123]

Well, regeneration, for one 2
He didn't seem like he had any techniques capable of completely enveloping Boo, which would make a huge power advantage irrelevant.

You know, that might be a solid point. Have we ever seen Kaioshins fire Ki blasts? Shin flies and uses Kiais and paralysis arts, but that’s it.

One could argue Ki blasts are basic Ki control, but not really. In Part I the only technique that could evaporate a body was the Kamehameha and similar techniques, and some Freeza soldiers could fly but needed cannons.

 

[Pyro]

I think it would have been shown or noted if the Kaioshin douchebags couldn't fire a measly ki blast of any level.

 

[SSJ2]

Flight is implied to be more advanced than simple ki blasts. Given that Kaioshin can fly, it would be absurd for him not to be able to use ki blasts.

 

[PorchMaster]

Flight is implied to be more advanced than simple ki blasts. Given that Kaioshin can fly, it would be absurd for him not to be able to use ki blasts.

Videl learned to fly in like 10 days though...

 

[Fantastische Hure]

yamcha could control khh & create the sokidan & might not have been able to fly i think

 

[SSJ2]

Flight is implied to be more advanced than simple ki blasts. Given that Kaioshin can fly, it would be absurd for him not to be able to use ki blasts.

Videl learned to fly in like 10 days though...

Goku produced a KHH on his first try. Considering Goten was able to use ki but unable to fly, when even Trunks was able to fly suggests to me that flying is more difficult.

 

[PorchMaster]

Flight is implied to be more advanced than simple ki blasts. Given that Kaioshin can fly, it would be absurd for him not to be able to use ki blasts.

Videl learned to fly in like 10 days though...

Goku produced a KHH on his first try. Considering Goten was able to use ki but unable to fly, when even Trunks was able to fly suggests to me that flying is more difficult.

Raditz could fly but not use amplified ki blasts, so using a proper Kamehameha is probably harder. Videl also can't use ki blasts at all either.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

^Also, some of Freeza's soldiers that relied on arm cannons were shown flying at comparable speeds to the others too.

 

[SSJ2]

Idk, Piccolo Daimao was impressed by Bukujutsu from Tenshinhan but wasn’t impressed by Goku’s ability to use ki. As for Videl, she exclusively learned how to fly. I’m assuming firing ki blasts wasn’t in her interest.

CC makes a fair point about Freeza’s soldiers, but when you consider that even the likes of Roshi can’t fly, I’m not sure.

 

[PorchMaster]

Roshi probably never bothered to learn to fly considering he had access to the Kintoun (and that flying turtle). Tsuru-sennin probably wasn't able to use the Kintoun due to already having an evil heart.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It could also be due to the difference in training between Earthlings and the rest of the universe. Other races seem to be naturally adept at using Ki rather than focusing on some of the finer details such as controlling their Ki output, something that's constantly said to be a rare thing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

true, but there's also goten, iirc randomly blasting a rock or something but needing to be taught specifically how to fly by gohan

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goten only learnt the fundamentals of fighting through training with Chichi and play-fighting with Trunks, so him not knowing how to fly is pretty understandable.