How strong is Androids Saga Trunks?

[Pyro]

Ten wanted to die a warrior's death if he was going to die, not sit in the mountains waiting for death like a pussy.

 

[ahill1]

There's nothing that says Trunks only spent 8 months in his own timeline when he went back for the first time. It's just said that's how long it takes to charge the machine. He could have spent 3 years.

And how strong is he? He's slightly below Goku and a bit ahead of Piccolo IMO. And Piccolo Androids saga can trash Yardrat Goku.

He's closer to Goku here than he was in the Mecha Freeza arc, i'd say. So Goku made huge gains and Trunks' were even bigger.

And the reason he made big gains, is because he went back and fought the Future Androids more times. This is absurdly intense training. Since the Future Androids are probably around as strong as SSJ Vegeta in the Android arc from the main timeline.

Yeah I agree with you. There's also Trunks going from being barely able to scape and hugely weaker to fighting them fairly well. This is a indicate that he powered up.

But people are saying he could fight them fairly well only compared to the fight he put up against the present Androids. What do you think?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I can see the logic for android arc Trunks = Mecha Freeza arc Trunks but I think the evidence for Android arc Trunks being stronger is stronger

Do the guidebooks suggest anything?

 

[kriss-]

Tien only thought he was useful until he sensed the Super Saiyans and Piccolo. He even admits he was useless.

Don't see what this has to do with judging Chi.

So it has nothing to do with judging Chi, but he's reliable?

Contradiction.

It has nothing to do with him being unreliable. Do you know the reason why he showed up? Because he wanted to see how he'd do in battle. Just look at the quotes:

Tien: "But I want to know just what I can do in battle. And if I die...then it was an honorable death."

That's the whole reason why Tien showed up in the first place. Not because he thought he was as strong as Super Saiyans. He just wanted to test himself in battle and was willing to risk his life doing it. This in no way takes away from his statements unless you're going to also say Krillin is unreliable as well.

Tenshinhan is out of his league, he isn't even certain if he would be considered reliable in that battle. He previously sensed Super Saiyans but he considered himself to 'perhaps' be of aid? Lol, no. That's contradictory thinking. His opinion is further contradicted when Trunks was two-shotted in the same manner as Piccolo and Vegeta considered Trunks as helpful as the humans, which is shown when he attacks.

There is no evidence that proves that Trunks got stronger.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

You didn't read the post, nor the quote Tien made.

No point of continuing.

 

[kriss-]

You didn't read the post, nor the quote Tien made.

No point of continuing.

You're arguing that Ten's quote about grouping the Super Saiyans together means they're the same strength right?

My post was a logical counter to that.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It isn't a counter. You don't understand that showing up to confront the Androids alongside Goku and Piccolo doesn't take away from Tien's ability to detect Chi. If we followed your logic, then no one in this series would be reliable because they've all shown hiccups in some or another.

 

[kriss-]

It isn't a counter. You don't understand that showing up to confront the Androids alongside Goku and Piccolo doesn't take away from Tien's ability to detect Chi. If we followed your logic, then no one in this series would be reliable because they've all shown hiccups in some or another.

Nothing suggests Ten surpassed Goku from Yardrat but he believes he might be useful.

I've no reason to continue arguing against that stupidity.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

What does that have to do with anything? Who's saying Tien surpassed anyone? He flat-out says he wants to train and see what he can do in battle. That has nothing to do with being unreliable and everything to do with being a warrior.

You read what you want to read in a post. That much is clear.

 

[kriss-]

What does that have to do with anything? Who's saying Tien surpassed anyone? He flat-out says he wants to train and see what he can do in battle. That has nothing to do with being unreliable and everything to do with being a warrior.

You read what you want to read in a post. That much is clear.

Ten should know what he's capable of but he doesn't. He should know how he compares against Ki he sensed from 3 years previous as that should be a measuring bar, but he doesn't. Therefore he's not reliable and his statement means shit anyways in the face of feats.

And go fuck yourself.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Using your logic, Krillin is also unreliable....

You're still not understanding the point, but that's par for the course.

 

[ahill1]

Tenshinhan stated he wanted to see what he could do in battle and if he dies it would be an honorable death. Later he also said it's a relief to him Vegeta and Piccolo got so strong. So he just didn't follow what Piccolo purposed 3 years ago, he showed himself despite lacking the power to fight those foes H2H.

 

[kriss-]

Using your logic, Krillin is also unreliable....

You're still not understanding the point, but that's par for the course.

Using my logic makes perfect cents.

Tenshinhan groups the Super Saiyans together because he doesn't completely understand their level of power, this is indirectly proven by your own logic's admission, which is hilarious.

And the feats disagree with you completely.

Yes you're good at debating, but you're not unbeatable, not even for me. I don't understand why you're always so bent on trying to prove your own analysis correct when it obviously isn't and isn't the only logical analysis out there, you think you're the end all to dragonball debates?

You're not.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I know my analysis isn't the only thing that's correct. You're the only person who ever says that.

But my analysis also doesn't render every character useless because they make a questionable choice or statement. That's not very good reasoning on the basis that this series is filled with characters who do or say dumb shit constantly.

If we sum up your analysis on Tien, everything he says can be disregarded based on the fact that he wanted to show up to fight alongside Goku and co. You know that's an unfair assessment, which doesn't translate to the characters assessment of other people. He's purposely bias towards Piccolo and Vegeta, but admits he's happy to see how much they powered-up. Tien's judgment in general is fine.

 

[kriss-]

I know my analysis isn't the only thing that's correct. You're the only person who ever says that.

But my analysis also doesn't render every character useless because they make a questionable choice or statement. That's not very good reasoning on the basis that this series is filled with characters who do or say dumb shit constantly.

If we sum up your analysis on Tien, everything he says can be disregarded based on the fact that he wanted to show up to fight alongside Goku and co. You know that's an unfair assessment, which doesn't translate to the characters assessment of other people. He's purposely bias towards Piccolo and Vegeta, but admits he's happy to see how much they powered-up. Tien's judgment in general is fine.

I say that because a-lot of people aren't like 'Well.. maybe that's possible', and that's the reason I typically go against the established norm.

In addition (sorry, I'm a writer that's why I say stuff like that Lol), from my analysis, Tenshinhans quote can be established into logic, because he's grouping something together that he doesn't completely understand. This has been shown time and time again throughout Dragonball from characters whom are too inferior to accurately gauge someone significantly superior. The feats obviously disregard his estimation, but that doesn't mean he's wholly incorrect. It just means they're all so strong that it's illogical to make a differentiation.

Think of it, when Krillen didn't notice a difference between Super Boo and Innocent Boo. When Piccolo didn't know whether Majin Vegeta was actually stronger then Kid Gohan, despite Vegeta knowing otherwise.

And I'm sorry for sounding like a dick, but sometimes it seems like you believe that your opinion is the only relevant opinion out there.