How strong is Base Vegetto?

[ahill]

I have base Vegetto around SSJ Gotenks (post Rosat) strength.

 

[sei'taer]

Why would it be silly?

It's a gotenks thing

 

[Tapion]

Uups, now i remembered the 600x minimal gap between SSj3 Gotenks and SSj3 Goku.
So, i think that having Base Vegito at SSj Gotenks(Post) is more appropriate with a x50 multiplier.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Strong as Bootenks.

 

[Tapion]

Vegito is stronger than Gokhan

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nobody believes on that though.

 

[Tapion]

Uups
read that as "Gokhan is stronger than Vegito"

 

[xmysticgohanx]

SSJ3 Goku: 800
base Vegetto: 560
SSJ2 Goku: 200

 

[Papasmurf]

Not saying that any of you in particular believes this, but Vegetto > Gokan is ridiculous considering the astronomically large gap between Gohan and Vegeta at that point

Rivalry boost be damned, it wasn't even enough to bring Vegetto to where he could fight Gohan-Boo who isn't even 2x Gohan unless transformed to SSJ. Vegetto > Gokan literally relies on Gokan either getting almost no boost from Super Saiyan (despite it being stated he'd get stronger), or barely getting stronger than Gohan at all. Ergo, it's just Vegetto fapping

 

[Tapion]

I meant "Gokhan is stronger than Vegito"

 

[Papasmurf]

I saw that, which is why I said "not saying any of you believe this"

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Old Kai implied Base Gokhan~Buutenks. Going by my theory of the fusion multiplier applying to the weakest character, Vegerrot is also at that
level.

The implications suggest that the Potara fusion multiplies the higher battle power. The Old Kaioshin was talking to Kaioshin before and after the fusion, he wasn't using Kibito as the measuring stick. It is also illogical for it to amplify the lower power level, despite it far more effective than the Metamoran fusion -because depending on how low the battle power is, Old Kaioshins statement of it being more effective would then be considered a false pretense and Akira Toriyama has no reason to lie to us.

Math wise, it applying to the lowest level is the only way to make reasonable PLs, unless you want to have Gotenks weaker than Piccolo.

 

[kriss-]

Old Kai implied Base Gokhan~Buutenks. Going by my theory of the fusion multiplier applying to the weakest character, Vegerrot is also at that
level.

The implications suggest that the Potara fusion multiplies the higher battle power. The Old Kaioshin was talking to Kaioshin before and after the fusion, he wasn't using Kibito as the measuring stick. It is also illogical for it to amplify the lower power level, despite it far more effective than the Metamoran fusion -because depending on how low the battle power is, Old Kaioshins statement of it being more effective would then be considered a false pretense and Akira Toriyama has no reason to lie to us.

Math wise, it applying to the lowest level is the only way to make reasonable PLs, unless you want to have Gotenks weaker than Piccolo.

Multiplying the highest battle power makes much more sense... especially within the context of the statements and logic.

 

[ahill]

Not saying that any of you in particular believes this, but Vegetto > Gokan is ridiculous considering the astronomically large gap between Gohan and Vegeta at that point

Rivalry boost be damned, it wasn't even enough to bring Vegetto to where he could fight Gohan-Boo who isn't even 2x Gohan unless transformed to SSJ. Vegetto > Gokan literally relies on Gokan either getting almost no boost from Super Saiyan (despite it being stated he'd get stronger), or barely getting stronger than Gohan at all. Ergo, it's just Vegetto fapping

Wasn't not Vegetto labeled the "strongest" though?

How about Gogeta and fusion dance Gokan? Are they equals?

 

[Papasmurf]

Definitely the strongest when his only competition is Gohan-Boo.

I would say they basically are, since Gohan would need to suppress to Goku's level and he's basically equal to Vegeta.

 

[ahill]

So Gokhan (potara) >>>> Vegetto, yet Gokan (fusion dance) = Gogeta?

Goku was sure that a fusion between Gohan and himself would be able to handle Bootenks, yet Gogeta is no match for Boohan.

 

[SSJ2]

What I posted on DBZF a long time ago.

I've come across something very interesting here that may or may not relate to Vegerot's Base power.

"I thought you'd be tougher."

Now, I'm not sure what the original version has here, but this seems pretty decent to me. Could this mean that Vegerot simply transformed into Super Saiyan for security, not because he needed it? Similarly to how Future Trunks used Super Saiyan against Future 17 and 18; as he may not have needed it there.

What's more, this kind of throws the claim of "Vegetto is weak because he was surprised at his own strength" out the window. He literally states that he hadn't even shown his full power yet, so his surprise at being so powerful doesn't need to mean that his Base form is weak.

 

[Papasmurf]

So Gokhan (potara) >>>> Vegetto, yet Gokan (fusion dance) = Gogeta?

Goku was sure that a fusion between Gohan and himself would be able to handle Bootenks, yet Gogeta is no match for Boohan.

Perhaps the Metamoran Gokan would be superior enough to Bootenks to defeat him within the time limit, while his power up to Boohan means he can't do so? Gokan's potara variation being superior to Vegetto is natural however, since Gohan doesn't suppress himself and they're using a superior method of fusion.

 

[Jeff Styles]

I have him between Ultimate Gohan and Bootenks.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

What I posted on DBZF a long time ago.

I've come across something very interesting here that may or may not relate to Vegerot's Base power.

"I thought you'd be tougher."

Now, I'm not sure what the original version has here, but this seems pretty decent to me. Could this mean that Vegerot simply transformed into Super Saiyan for security, not because he needed it? Similarly to how Future Trunks used Super Saiyan against Future 17 and 18; as he may not have needed it there.

What's more, this kind of throws the claim of "Vegetto is weak because he was surprised at his own strength" out the window. He literally states that he hadn't even shown his full power yet, so his surprise at being so powerful doesn't need to mean that his Base form is weak.

Exactly!!!

Let's not forget that Vegito need more power to create a barrier to prevent Boo absorbing or he need to toy Boo around in order to get him absorb,