How strong is Fat Boo without the Saiyans powers?

[Let's Go Fearless!]

According to Kaioshin, Boo is still strong enough to destroy everyone.

Chapter: 448 (DBZ 254), P11.4
Context: explaining that Majin Boo will wake up if they damage Babidi's ship
Kaioshin: “…Even if his energy still isn’t complete…Regardless, he should still have enough destructive power to kill us and destroy the Earth in a short time…”

 

[kriss-]

According to Kaioshin, Yakon is stronger then Goku. According to Kaioshin, Initial Majin Boo is invincible, despite Vegeta laughing at his strength.

Kaioshin can suck it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Then how strong Fat Boo would be?

 

[kriss-]

Who knows? And who really cares? It's not like anybody on this board agrees about anything anyways.

 

[Papasmurf]

Stronger than Dabra, that much is certain. Who knows how much stronger. If he's angered enough he could be stronger than SSJ2s, idk

 

[sei'taer]

Probably around his initial power which the SSJ2's scoffed at.

 

[Papasmurf]

Probably around his initial power which the SSJ2's scoffed at.

That Boo needed to power up to defeat Dabra and Kaioshin acted like even a prematurely released Boo would be a bigger threat though.

 

[sei'taer]

Probably around his initial power which the SSJ2's scoffed at.

That Boo needed to power up to defeat Dabra and Kaioshin acted like even a prematurely released Boo would be a bigger threat though.

True, I thought they scoffed at him after that powerup for some reason. But that level makes sense, as goku still though he and vegeta could prevail.

Like most everyone else here I don't give kaioshin's comment any weight as he severely underestimated the saiyans at every turn.

 

[Papasmurf]

He does underestimate the Saiyans, but he seems to avoid underestimating his enemies to the point of borderline paranoia, while at least managing to get the PuiPui < Yakon < Dabra chain correct. If he acts like a premature boo would still be a greater threat than those three I'll at least believe that, even if he's always wrong about Saiyans

 

[sei'taer]

If you admit he's generally wrong about the saiyans I'm not sure how you can trust his opinion of buu in relation to them.

I mean he's all doom and gloom when buu appears, but then is absolutely shocked that gohan doesn't think his chi is that impressive.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'm not saying he was right about Boo being able to massacre the Saiyans, I merely see no reason for him to be wrong about even a prematurely revived Boo still being their biggest threat considering the narrative. Blowing up the spaceship and causing Boo to be released was considered a no-no even after Kaioshin watched Gohan fight Dabra, and only considered a better alternative to a full power Boo who completely dwarfs the SSJ2s. Even if Kaioshin is an idiot, Dabra > premature Boo makes little sense. It's debatable if he rivals or surpasses SSJ2s, but premature boo's surely stronger than a SSJ

 

[Zippy]

To be fair that quote is before he saw anything of which the saiyans are capable of (its from when they first enter the ship and vegeta cliams he can blow up the whole thing then and there).

 

[Papasmurf]

He kept saying that over and over, including after Vegeta became a Majin and they were warped to that wasteland by Babidi.

 

[Zippy]

He said thia about buu w/o saiyan power?

 

[Papasmurf]

He said not to blow up the ship or some shit just before Goku vs. Yakon (and maybe before PuiPui, but idc), and then said that if breaking the entrance to Babidi's ship shocks Boo into awakening, it'd still be better than facing a full power version of him. Combined with his previous quote about Boo meaning the end of them (establishing him as a bigger threat than Dabra), it really sounds like premature Fat Boo is the second-worst scenario

 

[Zippy]

Oh then yeah as inconsistent as shin is that prolly means fat buu is atleast high ssj2 tier?

 

[ahill1]

Probably around his initial power which the SSJ2's scoffed at.

That Boo needed to power up to defeat Dabra and Kaioshin acted like even a prematurely released Boo would be a bigger threat though.

I don't think he really needed to power up. He only powered up (expelling smoke out of his head) because Dabra provoked him, much the same way with Vegeta. Gohan said he could manage something only if he could put up his real power, implying that Gohan (who was actually = Dabra) couldn't.

 

[Papasmurf]

Oh then yeah as inconsistent as shin is that prolly means fat buu is atleast high ssj2 tier?

That's where the problem arises like I said. He's so inconsistent that the only things he gets right are the rankings of the Babidi henchmen. But at least he knows which enemies are stronger than the other

 

[Papasmurf]

Probably around his initial power which the SSJ2's scoffed at.

That Boo needed to power up to defeat Dabra and Kaioshin acted like even a prematurely released Boo would be a bigger threat though.

I don't think he really needed to power up. He only powered up (expelling smoke out of his head) because Dabra provoked him, much the same way with Vegeta. Gohan said he could manage something only if he could put up his real power, implying that Gohan (who was actually = Dabra) couldn't.

Fatty seemed to pull this power up willingly, though. In that other instance with Vegeta he did it in irritation while he was smirking while doing it here, and just after he decided to confront Dabra. I'm fine with him being > Dabra/SSJ1 Gohan I guess, but not by much until said power up

 

[ahill1]

@Papasmurf - it could be, but fatboi cannot sense chi, so he really couldn't tell how much power would be needed to beat Dabra. Gohan stating that only if he can put up his true power he could do something implies even initially Fat Boo was considerably above Dabra/SSJ1 Gohan.