How strong is Fat Boo without the Saiyans powers?

[Papasmurf]

Yeah all the inconsistent plot details makes it all complicated. Vegeta and Goku shit their pants over Fatboi's first power up, but then the former still challenges him after he ups his ki a second time, and Fatty seems to instinctively power up to stomp Dabra even though he can't sense ki etc.

It'd also have been more convenient if Gohan actually went SSJ2 later in his fight with Fatty so it'd be clearer which form he referred to when he talked about his true power as well... but

 

[ahill1]

Yeah it's a bit inconsistent, but Vegeta also said something like wanting to take out Fat Boo and Dabra with him, right? It could imply he was already expecting to die. I have something like:

Fat Boo (initial) : 75-80
Majin Vegeta : 100
Fat Boo (1st power up/vs dabra) : 110
Fat Boo (2nd power up/vs Vegeta) : 120

What do you think? The gap between Fat Boo (2nd power up) and Vegeta might be a little too high to Vegeta still being confident, but it really cannot be done other way unless Fat Boo powered down to his initial power after beating Dabra?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

IIRC, Vegeta wasn't confident. Goku thought about teaming-up against Boo.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah Goku wanted to team up to ensure the victory, but Vegeta was still confident enough in taking him and Babidi alongside with himself.

 

[Papasmurf]

Boo still stomped Gohan as badly as he stomped Dabra, so I doubt he powered down. Vegeta charging straight at Boo even though he did an additional power up to that is just one of the weirdest incidents ever. It's like Yamcha from the 22nd already being shocked shitless of FP match level Goku thinking he had a chance against Battle Level Goku if he gave up his life, lol

I mean Goku only assures Vegeta they can win if they all work together, so I could picture like a 2nd form Freeza (expected) vs. Vegeta/Gohan/Kuririn type of gap between Fatty and the 3 Saiyans, but then he does... another power up? And Vegeta is still thinking he has a shot...

 

[ahill1]

Kuririn was the one who noted Fat Boo power increased in the fight against Majin Vegeta, so what I meant is that he could have powered down after beating Dabra, at the moment Kuririn and Piccolo were back to normal and sensed fat's power. So fat could have increased his power from Kuririn's perspective, but not from Vegeta's (who sensed his power up state against Dabra). Do you see it?

 

[Papasmurf]

Well, that'd rely on Boo powering down after he shot Gohan with that ki sphere attack which was like half a chapter before Vegeta blew up Babidi's spaceship, so powering down is unlikely imo. Kuririn returned to life after Dabra's death which was literally just seconds after Gohan was defeated, and Boo was surely powered up then.

 

[ahill1]

So show me numerically how you would have it, please.

 

[Papasmurf]

Lets say...

Gohan - 8

Dabra - 7.5

Initial Fatty - 9.3

SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta - 23

Powered up fatty - 27

- 2nd power up - 32

Is literally how I could see it without making 2nd power up like 1.05 ~ 1.1x or something like that

 

[ahill1]

Wow I never thought of having SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta that stronger than initial fat. So what's your SSJ2 multiplier?

Also, would Vegeta have at least a inch of confidence if he were only at ~70% of fatguy?

 

[Papasmurf]

That's what I meant. Logically since Goku knew neither SSJ2 could beat 1st power up Fatty alone, 2nd power up should be so comfortably ahead of them both that they would get tooled Raditz vs. goku/piccolo style even if they ganged up, unless you make the 2nd power up negligible.

 

[ahill1]

Well considering Vegeta going from 16,000+ to 18,000 was implied to be a "huge" power up, I could keep Fat Boo's 2nd power up like 1.05x or something like this haha.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's what I meant. Logically since Goku knew neither SSJ2 could beat 1st power up Fatty alone, 2nd power up should be so comfortably ahead of them both that they would get tooled Raditz vs. goku/piccolo style even if they ganged up, unless you make the 2nd power up negligible.

Can't 2nd power-up just be his full-power? I know Vegeta's attack hurt Boo a bit, but Boo made no noticeable power-up afterward seemingly, even-though he could have. Since they did make a point to say Boo's Ki was like a lie, so it might have gone up without anyone even noticing.

 

[Papasmurf]

True, but then initial fatty was weaker than SSJ2 Teen Gohan and got stronger than SSJ2 Goku after powering up which is surely a much greater power up

I dunno, honestly. I like to just say Fatty had a decisive edge on Vegeta but didn't counterattack like Reacoom didn't for the first 1/3rd of his fight with Veggie on Namek as there's no way to have Vegeta near 2nd power up Fatty at all.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also I don't think Vegeta has to be confident at-all really against Boo.

From a character stand-point, they almost spell it out for us. Vegeta thinks he's responsible for Boo coming-out and wants to end what he thought he was responsible for himself. At the time he was thought to be the highest (alongside Goku), so he really did have no choice but to fight Boo. No-one else had a chance, so the highest might just as-well try.

 

[Papasmurf]

he did act like if he gave up his life he'd actually have a shot at taking Boo and Babidi down with him though, it doesn't look like he thought the situation unwinnable

 

[Fantastische Hure]

he did act like if he gave up his life he'd actually have a shot at taking Boo and Babidi down with him though, it doesn't look like he thought the situation unwinnable

Which I assume means the self-destruction?

 

[Papasmurf]

He hadn't actually resolved to blow himself up until after Fatty beat the crap out of him. Before that he was trying more conventional measures like blowing a hole through his stomach

 

[sei'taer]

Boo still stomped Gohan as badly as he stomped Dabra, so I doubt he powered down. Vegeta charging straight at Boo even though he did an additional power up to that is just one of the weirdest incidents ever. It's like Yamcha from the 22nd already being shocked shitless of FP match level Goku thinking he had a chance against Battle Level Goku if he gave up his life, lol

I mean Goku only assures Vegeta they can win if they all work together, so I could picture like a 2nd form Freeza (expected) vs. Vegeta/Gohan/Kuririn type of gap between Fatty and the 3 Saiyans, but then he does... another power up? And Vegeta is still thinking he has a shot...

Well vegeta almost did kill him even with that great gap in power. If not for the extent of buu's regeneration that they only really knew about by repeatedly failing to kill him without completely vaporizing him vegeta's final attack would have worked.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He hadn't actually resolved to blow himself up until after Fatty beat the crap out of him. Before that he was trying more conventional measures like blowing a hole through his stomach

True, but maybe he thought because he was so stupid he could just blast him straight-up and it might defeat him. Like against Recoom.

After-all physical punches didn't seem to wear him out anyway.