How to fix the Boo arc
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More green track suits!
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Make Goku say that his the strongest ever!
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Never let Gotenks go in the Room of Spirit and Time.
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not making it unnecessarily long
The Boo saga isn't really that long. Going by the 42 volume mangas, it's exactly 6 volumes long (start of volume 20 of DBZ to the end of volume 26).
Freeza saga starts in the middle of volume 5 and ends very early volume 12 - roughly a 6.5 volume saga.
Android/Cell saga starts in volume 12 (early or late depending if you count Trunks arrival as part as the android saga) and ends at the end of volume 19, making it around 7.5 volumes.
Edit: I'm apparently very stupid, volume 20-26 is 7 volumes, not 6. I seem to forget to actually count the volume it starts on. However somehow I didn't make the mistake with the other sagas. I have no idea what I'm doing.
Freeza saga starts in the middle of volume 5 and ends very early volume 12 - roughly a 6.5 volume saga.
Android/Cell saga starts in volume 12 (early or late depending if you count Trunks arrival as part as the android saga) and ends at the end of volume 19, making it around 7.5 volumes.
Edit: I'm apparently very stupid, volume 20-26 is 7 volumes, not 6. I seem to forget to actually count the volume it starts on. However somehow I didn't make the mistake with the other sagas. I have no idea what I'm doing.
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Yeah, it might be comparable in length to other sagas, but I think unlike the other sagas the Boo-Saga was just unnecessarily long. So many forms for Boo, so many not-so important to the plot/significant fights, it just seemed like there could have been some cut.Clearin said:
Even-though the Freeza saga has a bit of the same problem toward the end.
I actually think Boo is the best for using it's length (or maybe the Android saga, not sure). Imo Freeza saga was by far the worst at using its time. Too much hiding and just generally waiting around for things to happen. Minor villains just kept getting added to pad things out. At least the Boo saga was always doing something new, it never stayed in one place, or added random roadblocks (except maybe Babidi's fighters, but I'd argue at least Dabura was essential).
And the Freeza fight itself, which is what I think you were referring to, was the single longest "single location" event in all of Dragon Ball. This starts in the middle of volume 9 and doesn't end until the start of volume 12. That's a little over 2 and a half volumes of nothing but the Freeza fight, and only using the same 5 or so characters the entire time. Boo was released in the first chapter of volume 23, so the actual Boo part of the Boo saga only existed for about half a volume more than the ENTIRE Freeza fight, and that section included multiple characters and locations, new forms etc.
Edit: Apparently I can't math. The start of volume 23 to the end of volume 26 would be 4 full volumes, not 3. Still though, no single fight in the Boo saga even took 1 volume, let alone 2 and a half.
And the Freeza fight itself, which is what I think you were referring to, was the single longest "single location" event in all of Dragon Ball. This starts in the middle of volume 9 and doesn't end until the start of volume 12. That's a little over 2 and a half volumes of nothing but the Freeza fight, and only using the same 5 or so characters the entire time. Boo was released in the first chapter of volume 23, so the actual Boo part of the Boo saga only existed for about half a volume more than the ENTIRE Freeza fight, and that section included multiple characters and locations, new forms etc.
Edit: Apparently I can't math. The start of volume 23 to the end of volume 26 would be 4 full volumes, not 3. Still though, no single fight in the Boo saga even took 1 volume, let alone 2 and a half.
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Yeah, I meant the fight(s) against Freeza. That was too faking long.
I'd also agree that the Cell Saga (Cell Saga as in everything from Freeza's to earth to pre 7 years time-skip) did best in using it's length.
I just thought in the Boo Saga a lot of the fights just didn't have any long-term meaning. Even Super-Saiyan 3 is useless, and never really was useful to begin with (at-least in the grand-scheme of things). Gotenks didn't do anything either. It just seemed like they kept on adding fight after fight to keep it going, until they find an ending.
I'd also agree that the Cell Saga (Cell Saga as in everything from Freeza's to earth to pre 7 years time-skip) did best in using it's length.
I just thought in the Boo Saga a lot of the fights just didn't have any long-term meaning. Even Super-Saiyan 3 is useless, and never really was useful to begin with (at-least in the grand-scheme of things). Gotenks didn't do anything either. It just seemed like they kept on adding fight after fight to keep it going, until they find an ending.
I made a huge mess of things when it came to counting the difference between volumes.
To answer the actual question at hand, I'd fix the things arise in the Budokai that seem to get forgotten later (Kaioshin sees SSj2 Gohan but then somehow is shocked at base Vegeta's power?).
To answer the actual question at hand, I'd fix the things arise in the Budokai that seem to get forgotten later (Kaioshin sees SSj2 Gohan but then somehow is shocked at base Vegeta's power?).
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I thought the Cell saga felt the most "idle" when it came to using its time, personally. The cyborgs just leaving everyone be for days while jacking a van or whatever, Cell laying low for several days and then giving his enemies 10 more days to prepare, and all that jazz. The Freeza arc's final fight was no doubt dragged out though, although due to not-that-heavy dialogue during Goku's fight with him it reads fairly quickly.
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The enemies not doing much actually kind-of made them more scary, I think because we don't know when they'll just snap, since they were supposed to be monster androids according to Trunks.
Also it made them seem more threatening I think, because they were so confident in their power that they just didn't bother.
Also it made them seem more threatening I think, because they were so confident in their power that they just didn't bother.
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Everyone in the Cell arc gets surpassed left and right though, resulting in SSJ2 Gohan > Perfect Cell > Cell Games Goku > Buff Trunks > Perfect Cell pre-power up > Super Vegeta > Semi Cell > 16 = First form Cell powered up > 17 = Kamiccolo >= 18 > pre-Rosat Vegeta and shit. Not much charisma left after that mess.
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- End with Gohan vs Boo or Vegetto vs Boo (possibly SSJ3 :$ )
- Scrap Goten.
- Make the Kaios more useful.
- Make the Videl/Spopo fight more gory.
- Give Vegeta a kewler outfit.
- Scrap Goten.
- Make the Kaios more useful.
- Make the Videl/Spopo fight more gory.
- Give Vegeta a kewler outfit.
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I'll say the first problem I'm running into so far doesn't occur until Goku uses a Super Saiyan 2 burst to kill Yakkon.
Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P10.5
Context: after Goku makes Yakon explode with his Super Saiyan aura
Vegeta: “So that bastard Kakarot has also surpassed that wall…The Super Saiyan wall…â€
This one line completely ruins everything that preceded it. Goku and Vegeta's confidence over Dabura because they had Super Saiyan 2 does not make sense if Vegeta is just learning about Goku having Super Saiyan 2 now.
If you replace Vegeta's comment with something like " He's even stronger than I thought! ". It would allow the Gohan was a Ssj2 chain to continue. Let's see how many things we have to change to make this work.
Gohan's surprise at Goku's power could be the amount of power he showed, not so much that he showed a Super Saiyan 2 power. Although it does feel like Super Saiyan 2 power is indeed a surprise to Gohan and Vegeta at the time unfortunately.
Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P10.5
Context: after Goku makes Yakon explode with his Super Saiyan aura
Vegeta: “So that bastard Kakarot has also surpassed that wall…The Super Saiyan wall…â€
This one line completely ruins everything that preceded it. Goku and Vegeta's confidence over Dabura because they had Super Saiyan 2 does not make sense if Vegeta is just learning about Goku having Super Saiyan 2 now.
If you replace Vegeta's comment with something like " He's even stronger than I thought! ". It would allow the Gohan was a Ssj2 chain to continue. Let's see how many things we have to change to make this work.
Gohan's surprise at Goku's power could be the amount of power he showed, not so much that he showed a Super Saiyan 2 power. Although it does feel like Super Saiyan 2 power is indeed a surprise to Gohan and Vegeta at the time unfortunately.
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Unlike ssj1 and 2, ssj3 was an asspull iirc. Have some build up to it not just holy shit a new form out of nowhere
Ssj3 gotenks is cool but was kind of unnecessary and a bit silly. Make gotenks only a ssj1 and nerf super buu so that its a closer match
Ssj3 gotenks is cool but was kind of unnecessary and a bit silly. Make gotenks only a ssj1 and nerf super buu so that its a closer match
