How weak is Kami in comparison to Goku/Piccolo?

[p123]

At the 23rd Budokai, just how weak is Kami here?

We see Kami resorting to asking Tenshinhan to kill him rather than go toe to toe with Piccolo while Piccolo appears to be ridiculously damaged.

The gaps in power at the 23rd Budokai are astounding.

 

[SSJ2]

That sequence is fucked. Doesn't he block Piccolo's punch but then Piccolo says he can take all of them at once while half dead? Piccolo's has to be like 10x stronger for that to make sense.

 

[p123]

Yea, it's a tough position we are in.

Kami is strong enough to be helpful to Goku if he assists him, but if Kami plus 100 humans ganged up on Piccolo, it would be useless. We have major fatigue going on as well.

From what I can see, Goku and Piccolo appear to be well below Gohan's Less than Half level of Injury. Yet how can Kami be effective at all being that much weaker?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Humans are too weak and so they're non factors here.

Piccolo
-max: 100
-out of breath: 90
-arm regen: 80
-post ultimate attack: 60
-more damaged: 50

Kami: 45

 

[p123]

It doesn't seem implied that Kami can give Piccolo a good battle, it's implied that Piccolo, as damaged as he is, will obliterate everyone. Put Kami at 40 and I'm sold.

Also, you are wrong.

Piccolo definitely appears more damaged than Gohan was after Cell's attack. Gohan was at less than half power.

Injured Gohan = 40%

Injured Piccolo = 30-35%

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I see no reason why Kami wouldn't at least give a good battle. But, if you insist, lower Kami to 40 in my gaps.
About Gohan, i posted on your relevant thread.

 

[p123]

If Kami could give a good battle, Piccolo wouldn't be so confident. He has ultimate confidence that he can defeat everyone there.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Isn't 50/45 a victory ensuring gap? Also, Kami was more rusty than Piccolo.

 

[p123]

Certainly not. That's the end tier of a rivaling gap, even though the humans can't do much, that's too close for comfort for me to give them a completely useless status in that kind of fight. Here's what I have...

Piccolo 125
Kami 100
Tien 30
Krillen 18
Yamcha 17.5

I think that shows the situation accurately without going overboard.

 

[SSJ2]

Not to mention he made it seem like he could take Kami and everyone else at once. That is bigger than 50/45 for the main two guys.

 

[p123]

Thank you, someone with sense. Too many times I end up with topics that only withheld's crazy ass partakes in. He's a real hit or miss guy, he's either really on it, or he's all over the place. This is how it is with crazy people. Nice to see someone reasonable joining me in some of these DB debates, most people shy away from them.

 

[SSJ2]

I will try to get into them. I used to know this shit well but my memory is fucking ass right night. Perhaps I'll reread part 1 tonight.

 

[p123]

Here's what I got right now.

Yamcha 17,500
Krillen 18,000
Tien 30,000
Kami 100,000

As Piccolo thinks he defeated Goku and is completely fatigued, he has a power of 125,000.

FP Goku/Piccolo 300,000



The tremendous gaps in power at the 23rd Budokai are some of the largest, unexpected gaps I've seen. It really is amazing. A lot of times you'd think the power wasn't necessary, but when you reverse engineer it, you don't have a choice.

Gohan was badly damaged and was at less than half his power against Cell. Piccolo is clearly damaged worse than Gohan was and Piccolo believes he has the world in the palm of his hands now that Goku is gone and plans to eliminate the group. Kami considers suicide before actually fighting Piccolo.

Weakened Piccolo is for sure above Kami. Which makes the scale of power massive from Kami up. The other things make the scale massive from Kami down. Then we have a massive gap in Piccolo Daimao down. Unreal.