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I'll do a Super list even though that'll have to include Freeza > Base Saiyan shenanigans.
 

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Void said:
I'll do a Super list even though that'll have to include Freeza > Base Saiyan shenanigans.
Not necessarily. You could easily argue that Beerus noticing the difference in appearance in Base Galu compared to the SSJ self he saw in the crystal ball was what sparked his statement, plus manga-wise, it's far more of a worthless statement when considering he doesn't even note Galu surpassing Freeza until he uses SS2.
 

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I don't think Vegeta and Trunks are that far above 50% Goku. Trunks still put more faith in Goku than on himself, what implies he is still on 50% Goku and Cell's league. Unless you believe Trunks knew Goku was hidding power, of course.

There's also what CC mentioned about swapping Enraged Gohan and Zenkai Gohan on Namek. Vegeta put faith on Gohan after Freeza shrugged off his assault.
 

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Vegeta was expecting more from Goku than what he displayed at Karin's. He was confident he was above that.

[mention]GreatSaiyaman123[/mention] Where you at :mikey
 

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I gave it a gazely stare whilst drinking a heineken beer and seems a pretty solid list. I share Six Trail's opinion in that any disagreement would come more from personal preference.

Maybe, like Hure mentioned, I'd place Yamcha a bit lower considering he still struggled in a hand to hand combat against da little green monster. I agree though that Yamcha should still be above Raditz, which is why I like to put Raditz at 1,250 with Yamcha at 1,350 or so.
 

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Don't you think Yardrat Goku and Debut Trunks are too close? Future Gohan hoping he's gonna be as strong as his father one day kind of puts a considerable gap between them.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Don't you think Yardrat Goku and Debut Trunks are too close? Future Gohan hoping he's gonna be as strong as his father one day kind of puts a considerable gap between them.

Goku dies from the virus after coming back from Yardrat in that timeline. I doubt Goku got much stronger since he wasn't prepping for the Androids.
 

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Trunks said Goku is even more incredible than the rumors made him out to be. So we know Goku is stronger than Trunks' estimations. But would Trunks' estimations of Goku be > 1 arm Gohan? Because, although Goku died not too long after their meeting, maybe Trunks was already projecting a stronger Goku over the time separating Goku's death (which was the Goku specified by Trunks) and his comeback to Earth. If Trunks wasn't projecting a stronger Goku, then indeed, I do agree that [yardrat] Son Goku should be considerably above Trunks.
 

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Or Gohan just wasn't that strong, which falls in line with the Future Androids being weaker than the present and Trunks being able to 'fight them fairly well'.
 

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He might not have been that strong, but he was still on Trunks' level according to Bulma's comment, right? Trunks wasn't amazingly stronger than him, according to her.
 

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I thought Bulma's excuse was "Gohan was a Super Saiyan too" when Trunks runs off to fight? How can she gauge their power?
 

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Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P14.4, P15.1-2
Trunks: “…I think I’m strong enough to beat the Androids now. We don’t have to go study them in the past!”
Future Bulma: “You’re too naïve. It’s true that you’ve gotten astoundingly strong, but have you forgotten how Gohan was killed 3 years ago? I don’t think you’re that amazingly different than Gohan back then…”
 

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Mmmm... It's kind of odd. She says 'I don't think you're that amazingly different' which suggests he is stronger in some way.
 

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Future #17 - 0.8
Gohan - 0.9
Future Trunks - 1

Easy.

When is the DB-Super list coming, if I can ask? :cry :cry :cry
 

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When I get motivated instead of being an indolent bastard. lul

Isn't 1 arm SS Gohands only superior to "less than half" Future No.17?
 

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Void said:
When I get motivated instead of being an indolent bastard. lul

Isn't 1 arm SS Gohands only superior to "less than half" Future No.17?
That's what I meant. I didn't write that because I thought it was obvious enough considering what you gais were talking about. :troll2 :troll2 :troll2
 

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3. One when Dabra taunts him and two against Vegeta.
 

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UltimateGohkan said:
He did 2 against Vegeta? Wasn't it just one when Buu got mad.
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-270-index-2.html
 

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