If turles won

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What would have happened? Would he have been able to defeat frieza with the fruit?
 

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Movie 3 has a lot of strange things with its scaling such as Tullece acting as though Oozaru Gohan, who was overpowering Kaioken x2 Goku, wasn't a big deal and even being heavily suggested to be capable of killing him at least with an amplified attack. Then he turns tail towards the fruit when Goku powers up. Regardless of how strong base Tullece is though, it's safe to say the fruit gives him roughly a 10x boost. Assuming they all gave him the same boost, he would likely overpower Freeza in little time at all.
However, he did say he'd ate from the Shinseijuu countless times, so the boost is likely random. In any case, he would likely amass a force to overthrow Freeza at some point and take his place as ruler over most of the Universe, killing Cold when the time comes as well.

Rather than taking Super into account like many of the what-ifs, I'll take the movies Tullece linked to Tullece's appearance in Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans as well as GT due to its link to the movies with Coola, so Slug, Coola, Broly and Hatchiyack are also threats to deal with. Slug would be easy pickings by this point and Coola would die like his brother too. However, Tullece would not be prepared if coming into contact with Dabura, Hatchiyack or Broly which he would likely do as his empire expanded. With that, we have 3 scenarios.

1. Broly kills Tullece and takes the fruit to become MAXIMUM. The end.

2. Hatchiyack kills Tullece. He eventually finds Baby and teams up with him, succeeding in reviving the Tsufurian race and making them the dominant power in the Universe.

3. Dabura kills Tullece and take his fruit to use on both their men and Dabura, as well as victims to use as guinea pigs for more energy. Boo is retrieved and eventually revived, though their plans of Universal conquest would fail once they arrive on either Imegga or M2.
 

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What's interesting is Turles doesn't even eat the whole fruit. He takes a bite and drops it, figuring that to be enough for him to get by on. I'd wonder how cumulative and consistent the effects of the fruit are and if he can max out or develop a tolerance for it. Otherwise, why not eat the whole thing in like three bits, which would take an extra three seconds and put him so far above everyone else he'd be in one-shot territory.

Point being, I don't think it's a flat, x10 boost in the exact same way as CC already mentioned.

I think he'd reach a peak, so far as how far the fruit takes him. That is to say, without training or any other enhancements. So I'm going to presume he'd just have to eat it to maintain.

Plus, how sustainable is the tree? It uses the lifeforce and resources of the host planet, and Earth was damn near dead after a short amount of time. I reckon he would have to find some other place and replant it if there was any shot of continuing to power up past a hypothetical defeat of Freeza. Namek would work, but again, for how long?

I guess I'll again agree with CC in that there's only so far he could go. If Turles can defeat Freeza, I see the Androids within reach as well. I'll even split with CC and say maybe Dabra, too. But I don't see him getting anywhere close to Majin Boo or even Janemba.
 

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First of all, I want to establish that, in my headcanon, M3 takes place in a timeline
where Goku arrived on time to fight Vegeta and Nappa and Z fighters were not
killed. So, if, in this timeline, he wins, here is what happens:
He eventually disbands Planet Trade Organization. I bet he achieves SSJ as well as
higher transformations over the following years.
With the Earth destroyed by Tree of Might, Babidi cannot revive Buu.
If Beerus doesn't wake up, Freeza kills Tullece after his revival and 4 months worth
of training.
If Beerus wakes up and he decides to turn Tullece into his student, there is a chance
he defeats Freeza with SSJ Blue.
Tullece takes Goku's place in U6 Saga and Zamasu takes his body. Zero Mortal Plan
succeeds.
 

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With the Earth destroyed by Tree of Might, Babidi cannot revive Buu.
He can just transport Boo to another Planet though and Boo's cocoon obviously isn't being destroyed by just a planetary explosion.

If Beerus doesn't wake up, Freeza kills Tullece after his revival and 4 months worthof training.
And how's that happening without Earth's Dragon Balls. No way are the Namekians surviving if either Freeza or Tullece get to them.

Also, the movies seem to definitely follow the GT continuity rather than the Super continuity based on Coola's appearance in GT and the difference between canon and non-canon :pakl.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
1. He can just transport Boo to another Planet though and Boo's cocoon obviously isn't being destroyed by just a planetary explosion.

2. And how's that happening without Earth's Dragon Balls. No way are the Namekians surviving if either Freeza or Tullece get to them.

1. Well, the fact that, in Super, he didn't manage to revive Buu after 20 years or so means that, with no life on Earth,
it is hard to impossible. But, even if he does encounter Tullece and majinizes him, Beerus can always kill Babidi and
Buu and turn Tullece into his student anyway.

2. Freeza went to Namek only because he heard through radio scouters Vegeta telling Nappa about Namek Dragonballs.
I clearly said that, in my headcanon, M3 takes place in a universe where Goku arrived in time, so Vegeta and Nappa
never had that discussion and I don't see how Tullece could know about Namek. So Namek stays there until Sorbet
revives Freeza.
 

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1. Well, the fact that, in Super, he didn't manage to revive Buu after 20 years or so means that, with no life on Earth, it is hard to impossible. But, even if he does encounter Tullece and majinizes him, Beerus can always kill Babidi and Buu and turn Tullece into his student anyway.
Leaving aside the likelihood of the movies following GT's timeline rather than Super's, I see no reason as to why Beerus would wake up any time soon without the possibility of SSG happening when he didn't in Trunks' timeline.

2. Freeza went to Namek only because he heard through radio scouters Vegeta telling Nappa about Namek Dragonballs. I clearly said that, in my headcanon, M3 takes place in a universe where Goku arrived in time, so Vegeta and Nappa never had that discussion and I don't see how Tullece could know about Namek. So Namek stays there until Sorbet revives Freeza.
And if they never had that discussion, Sorbet would never learn how to revive Freeza.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
1. Leaving aside the likelihood of the movies following GT's timeline rather than Super's.

2. I see no reason as to why Beerus would wake up any time soon without the possibility of SSG happening when he didn't in Trunks' timeline.

3. And if they never had that discussion, Sorbet would never learn how to revive Freeza.

1. Just because all those villains appear in GT (which is obviously a sequel of DBZ Anime), doesn't mean that
the movie events happened in GT Timeline, since it is impossible for all of them to take place in the same
continuity.

2. That's why I said 'IF Beerus wakes up...'. It all depends on whether the oracle fish makes any relevant prophecy.

3. Is it proven he learnt it that way? Anyway, if he doesn't, no FNF Saga, the events move straight to U6 Saga.
 

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1. Just because all those villains appears in GT (which is obviously a sequel of DBZ Anime), doesn't mean that the movie events happened in GT Timeline, since it is impossible for all of them to take place in the same continuity.
Not all of them, just those associated with Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans. From that, we know Movies 3,4, 5 and 8 or at least alternate equivalents took place for them and that Tullece at the very least lives in the same timeline as Slug and the movie versions of Coola and Broly.
Secondly, you choose to go with Super's continuity and ignore GT, but what's your proof for the former when the Broly in Super's canon is a completely different entity?

2. That's why I said 'IF Beerus wakes up...'. It all depends on whether the oracle fish makes any relevant prophecy.
A pretty big if.

3. Is it proven he learnt it that way? Anyway, if he doesn't, no FNF Saga, the events move straight to U6 Saga.
It's the logical conclusion. The Freeza Force had no knowledge of the Dragon Balls prior to the Saiyan Arc and would have no way to learn about them afterwards when the planet of their origin was destroyed and their people had moved beyond their scope of knowledge.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Not all of them, just those associated with Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans. From that, we know Movies 3,4, 5 and 8 or at least alternate equivalents took place for them and that Tullece at the very least lives in the same timeline as Slug and the movie versions of Coola and Broly.
Secondly, you choose to go with Super's continuity and ignore GT, but what's your proof for the former when the Broly in Super's canon is a completely different entity?

My explanation is that Tullece and Slug in the main timeline never encountered the heroes and they just heard about them,
since there is no way Movies 3 and 4 can fit anywhere in the anime.
I went with Super because it's been ages since I watched GT. But, if you want me to place Tullece in GT continuity, there
are three options after he destroys Freeza's empire:
1. He never encounters Babidi or any GT character and rules a part of the universe for the rest of his life.
2. He eventually gets majinized by Babidi. Then, either Buu and Baby act in different parts of the universe without ever
meeting or we have a fight Baby vs Buu whose result depends on which of the two you think has more haxed abilities.
3. He never encounters Babidi and eventually gets possessed by Baby, who rules a part of the universe in his place.
No Super 17 (Earth destroyed before Dr Gero did anything special) or Shadow Dragons sagas.
 

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