Is SSJ1 capable of suppression?

[Future Warrior]

Before mastering it I mean.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'd think the strain reduces the ability to suppress a bit given how Piccolo is surprised Goku and Gohan were on such a "Ordinary, everyday level", but i think they can still be not putting full power, like Nappa and Vegeta would do on the Saiyan Arc. It's even noted by Yamcha that Sick Goku was not at full power when he transformed for Trunks.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Effort-wise, it is, given it's stated at least twice that an SSJ wasn't giving it their all (Trunks VS Galu and 1st part of Vegeta VS #18). Ki-wise, that's a different matter, though I'd assume so given Gero's miscalculation of how Goku would fare against #19. The amount that can be suppressed would just be far less flexible than in the mastered variant of the form.

 

[SSJ2]

Pretty much what CC said. Not sure how the whole resting ki vs fighting ki would play into it, but I don't believe they could actively suppress their ki level pre-mastery.

 

[Void]

Vegeta was holding back against No.18. Trunks held back against Yardrat Goku.

 

[Pyro]

Actively suppressing? No. There's no evidence of it. It's different than actively restraining power in a blast or pulling a punch. It's even different than standing ki compared to fighting ki.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Pretty much what CC said. Not sure how the whole resting ki vs fighting ki would play into it, but I don't believe they could actively suppress their ki level pre-mastery.

Effort and the resting/fighting Ki thing is the same thing. "Fighting Ki' isn't about throwing a fist and getting full power, but about using all of your effort, as you generally do when you're fighting all out.

 

[ahill1]

I am not sure they could actively suppress the state before mastering it, they could though indeed control the level of effort they are putting in. Trunks and Vegeta screams more of an effort thing to me, nothing necessarily related with their chi. All Yamcha's comment might mean is that Goku's chi would be perceived by them (or at least by him) as considerably higher were him putting up considerably more effort, like fighting.

#20 suggesting Goku was initially within a level that #19 could defeat and then later being impressed with the outcome of the battle could be argued under the point of view of suppression (as I think his mechanic 'scouter' would read fighting chi and resting chi as the same), but there're other ways to interpret that scene as far as I can tell, in which Gero's radar just maxing out after a certain point (due to him apparently also wrongly reading Vegeta SSJ's power) making sense as well with how off his calculations seemed to be later on. So I will just tell that whilst the Gero's part is a piece of evidence, it isn't as conclusive.

As for their surprise later on concering Goku and Gohan as FPSSJs, they just said they look pretty relaxed and resteless, natural while standing around as SSJs, which doesn't necessarily mean that was the first time they were suppressing the state. I think it could still work even with suppressing as SSJs not being a new thing for them.

So... maybe.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't believe so. When I look at Goku pounding on 50% Freeza, I see him mainly controlling his power via effort. We know he was holding-back initially, but his power remained the same. When I look at Vegeta Vs #19, it was all about effort. Same with #18. I don't believe there's any reason for them to be suppressing.

The only example I could think of it being a possibility is when Trunks returned from the future and seemed to have trouble sensing what was going on initially. Eventually he was able to sense Piccolo's "Battle Chi" as he was pounding on #20 despite Super Saiyan Vegeta standing right there. Main issue with that is his aura was up, which doesn't point to any suppression. Or maybe Vegeta's relaxed level didn't stand out enough to matter compared to Piccolo's.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

All fighters (including SSJs) can vary the amount of ki they're bringing out with their effort (ex. Scouter Vegeta, 1st Form Freeza). The ability to suppress ki is the ability to reduce it all the way down to zero and trick scouters into a fake battle power.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I don't think so, that's why MSSjin is a thing.