Kefla SSJ vs Goku Base (Genkidama in the ToP)? I have doubts regarding the power of the Genkidama itself.

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Kefla SSJ vs Goku Base (Genkidama in the ToP)?

I have doubts regarding the power of the Genkidama itself. The comparison that Whis makes regarding the power of Kefla SSJ with the Genkidama, does it mean that Kefla SSJ is at the level of Goku Base (Genkidama) or that it is compared to the level of Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama)?

 

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[GSM123]

It means Kefla is comparable to the Genki Dama. Goku own power doesn’t affect the power of the ball.

 

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It means Kefla is comparable to the Genki Dama. Goku own power doesn’t affect the power of the ball.

Then:

Jiren (Power Up 1) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama) > Infinity Zamasu > Jiren (Initial) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Genkidama) >> Goku Base (Genkidama) ~ Kefla SSJ?

 

[Animelover5487]

It means Kefla is comparable to the Genki Dama. Goku own power doesn’t affect the power of the ball.

Why would Goku use Blue and Kaioken while using the Genkidama if it doesn't increase the power of it?

 

[GSM123]

Why would Goku use Blue and Kaioken while using the Genkidama if it doesn't increase the power of it?

To push harder. Just like he needed to go SSJ to push the Genki Dama on Boo. Can Goku even even give his energy to the Genki Dama?

Then:

Jiren (Power Up 1) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama) > Infinity Zamasu > Jiren (Initial) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Genkidama) >> Goku Base (Genkidama) ~ Kefla SSJ?

What does Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama) and Goku Base (Genkidama) mean?

 

[SIAD]

I think that Genkidama itself is a power and the user's power is added to it. For example:

Goku SSJB = 1

Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 = 20

Genkidama = Kefla SSJ = 40

Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Genkidama) = 50

Jiren (Start) = 55

Infinity Zamasu = 57.6

Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama) = 60

Jiren (Power Up 1) = 72

What do you think?

 

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To push harder. Just like he needed to go SSJ to push the Genki Dama on Boo. Can Goku even even give his energy to the Genki Dama?



What does Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama) and Goku Base (Genkidama) mean?

It means Goku Base and SSJB Kaioken x20 pushing the Genkidama.

 

[GSM123]

I think that’s just complicating things for no reason. The Genki Dama is an entity of it’s own.

 

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I think that’s just complicating things for no reason. The Genki Dama is an entity of it’s own.

So why did Goku need the SSJB Kaioken x20 to push the Genkidama and with it he managed to push Jiren (Initial) back and the latter had to turn on to return the attack to Goku?

 

[Papasmurf]

Most of the energy that killed Kid Boo was in the Genki Dama itself as seen when SSJ Goku (who is over 7 times weaker than Kid Boo) killed him with it. It's the same case here. If the orb of energy had less energy than SSJB KKx20 Galu it wouldn't be a trump card as it'd do no damage to Jiren.

 

[SIAD]

Most of the energy that killed Kid Boo was in the Genki Dama itself as seen when SSJ Goku (who is over 7 times weaker than Kid Boo) killed him with it. It's the same case here. If the orb of energy had less energy than SSJB KKx20 Galu it wouldn't be a trump card as it'd do no damage to Jiren.

Then:

Jiren (Power Up 1) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Genkidama) > Infinity Zamasu > Jiren (Initial) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (Genkidama) >> Goku Base (Genkidama) ~ Kefla SSJ?

Although mathematically speaking I think that the ToP Spawn works with another formula, I like to think that the Spawn has its own power, but to resist it, you have to at least equal or exceed the combined power of the Spawn + the user who casts it.

Jiren (Initial) could withstand even the combined power of Goku SSJB Kaioken x10, but when the latter turned into SSJB Kaioken x20, he managed to push Jiren back and the latter had to power up to return Goku's Spawn.

If Whis compares Kefla SSJ with the Genkidama, it means that she would be defeated by Goku Base (Genkidama).

 

[GSM123]

So why did Goku need the SSJB Kaioken x20 to push the Genkidama and with it he managed to push Jiren (Initial) back and the latter had to turn on to return the attack to Goku?

Pushing the Genki-Dama is not the same as the power of the Genki-Dama itself. The Genki-Dama had it’s own push and then KKx20 SSJB Goku’s push, but I don’t think that adds to it’s power. Can Goku even put his own power into the Genki-Dama?