Ki Amp

[SSJ2]

For what reason?

 

[Power Level Guy]

For what reason?

Raditz is shocked by Ki amp, his scouter never picks up any amp.

 

[SSJ2]

Okay that's fair. But all that proves is in that instance the attack wasn't amped. The 23rd Budokai treats it as an amplified attack. Piccolo also uses it against 2nd Form Freeza and deals some damage with it which further implies that it can be amplified.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Okay that's fair. But all that proves is in that instance the attack wasn't amped.

Why wasn’t it amped? Was it amped against Imperfect Cell?

The 23rd Budokai treats it as an amplified attack.

I’ll have to check it again.

Piccolo also uses it against 2nd Form Freeza and deals some damage with it which further implies that it can be amplified.

Piccolo does use this attack quite often huh? We gotta really break down all of these ki attacks.

The one time we have confirmed actual proof it wasn’t amped. I’m suspicious if it’s ever amped.

I think Piccolo’s amp isn’t all that good.

 

[SSJ2]

Why wasn’t it amped? Was it amped against Imperfect Cell?

I dunno man... look at the destruction that it caused in comparison to Cell's KHH. You've given it a difference of 1.11x on your scale. Would 1.11x really be the difference of Cell's blast and Piccolo's blast sending shockwaves across the planet?

I’ll have to check it again.

It's used a bunch of times in the 23rd. But in the instance I posted Goku was not able to block the attack, even though in other instances he was calling the attack weak. It's proof that the attack can be amplified.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I dunno man... look at the destruction that it caused in comparison to Cell's KHH. You've given it a difference of 1.11x on your scale. Would 1.11x really be the difference of Cell's blast and Piccolo's blast sending shockwaves across the planet?

Ok, so how amped and why isn’t Cell dead?

It's used a bunch of times in the 23rd. But in the instance I posted Goku was not able to block the attack, even though in other instances he was calling the attack weak. It's proof that the attack can be amplified.

Can you walk me through this?

 

[SSJ2]

Ok, so how amped and why isn’t Cell dead?

Cell braces for the attack. It's the same thing as this: This is the one instance where Toriyama actually visualized using ki to amplify your defenses. It's something that should be commonplace by later in the series.

I don't know how amplified Piccolo's attack was here, probably not anything too significant. But it makes little sense for it not to be. Maybe 1.1-1.25x.

Can you walk me through this?

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The first instance was a serious attack. Goku knew he couldn't mess with it. It looked like a nuclear bomb when it hit land.

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The second instance had Goku talking down to the level of the attack. And the difference in explosive power was evident...

 

[Power Level Guy]

Cell braces for the attack. It's the same thing as this:

Cell puts his arms up like that?

It's something that should be commonplace by later in the series.

How does it work? Give me later examples of Ki defense.

I don't know how amplified Piccolo's attack was here, probably not anything too significant. But it makes little sense for it not to be. Maybe 1.1-1.25x.

Well didn’t he say he’s never felt Ki like this? Shouldn’t it be above the thing that got beat by Super Kamehameha?

The first instance was a serious attack. Goku knew he couldn't mess with it. It looked like a nuclear bomb when it hit land.

If it hits Goku how bad is it? How amped is it?

The second instance had Goku talking down to the level of the attack. And the difference in explosive power was evident...

Hmm, ok…

 

[SSJ2]

Cell puts his arms up like that?

No, but he braces for the attack. He's standing completely upright prior to it and braces himself for it.


It's the exact same idea.

How does it work? Give me later examples of Ki defense.

I'll have to look around tomorrow. But I'd argue any instance where it seemed like an attack should have done more damage.

Well didn’t he say he’s never felt Ki like this? Shouldn’t it be above the thing that got beat by Super Kamehameha?

I'm talking about Piccolo vs Cell being a 1.1-1.25x attack.

If it hits Goku how bad is it? How amped is it?

It seemed to do damage despite only being a glancing blow, so it would have been pretty devastating I'd think. Maybe 1.33x? Goku's Super Kamehameha can overpower it so it should be a level below that.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I'll have to look around tomorrow. But I'd argue any instance where it seemed like an attack should have done more damage.

Raditz throws what should be a full powered blast at Goku and doesn’t kill him.

Raditz strikes 1 power level Gohan and doesn’t kill him.

Maybe 1.33x? Goku's Super Kamehameha can overpower it so it should be a level below that.

Yeah I’m thinking Supwe Kamehameha is 1.5x as well as Galick Gun and OG Kamehameha is 1.33x