Ki blast amp discusssion thread

[GSM123]

@Power Level Guy @SSJ2 @SIAD

Going by Kamehameha = Garlic Gun and Garlic Gun = 1.33x, I think it's fair to say that's the amp in the Saiyan Saga.

Goku (FP vs Raditz): 693 (75% of 924)
~ Kamehameha: 924

Piccolo (FP vs Raditz): 680 (2/3 of 1020, the number Raditz gets when Piccolo starts charging the SBC)
~ Makankosappo: 1,020 ~ 1,330 (Depends on charge) (1.5x amp without charge)

 

[SSJ2]

1.5x amp without charge sounds ridiculous if Goku's top technique is 1.33x. Implies Piccolo can spam random ki blasts that are above Goku's best Kamehameha.

 

[GSM123]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. You think Makankosappo = Kamehameha? How does that work? What do random ki blasts have to do with this? They couldn't even spam ki blasts at this point.

 

[SSJ2]

I'm saying it's obviously not instant. If it was instant then Piccolo's blast against Raditz could have been amplified by 1.5x as well.

 

[SIAD]

I have:

Kamehameha TB23 - Arc Freezer= 2.25x
(Arc Android - Boo) = 2.56x

Galick Ho = 1.3...x

Big Bang = 1.5x

Final Flash = 2.56
(FP) = 4

 

[GSM123]

Yeah I don't mean literally instantly lol. It's standard charging time of a special attack. Raditz reads Piccolo at 1000ish a bit after he starts charging.

I just know that blast is going to be a headache. The amp seems to depend on what blast you're firing specifically, so I wouldn't put it as 1.5x. It's just Piccolo's brand new attack that can do that.

 

[SSJ2]

Okay. I thought you were implying that he could instantly spam 1.5x Makankosappos lol

 

[Piramid89]

I find these numbers you’re giving interesting, and they make a lot of sense when compared to other characters’ resting power levels.

Against Raditz:

Goku (60%): 416
Goku (100%): 693

Piccolo (60%): 408
Piccolo (100%): 680

Against Nappa:

Piccolo (60%): 1,220
Piccolo (100%): 2,033

Krillin (60%): 1,083
Krillin (100%): 1,805

Gohan (60%): 981
Gohan (100%): 1,635

Goku (60%): 5,000
Goku (100%): 8,333

All these 100% numbers for Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan would make a lot of sense.

 

[SIAD]

I find these numbers you’re giving interesting, and they make a lot of sense when compared to other characters’ resting power levels.

Against Raditz:

Goku (60%): 416
Goku (100%): 693

Piccolo (60%): 408
Piccolo (100%): 680

Against Nappa:

Piccolo (60%): 1,220
Piccolo (100%): 2,033

Krillin (60%): 1,083
Krillin (100%): 1,805

Gohan (60%): 981
Gohan (100%): 1,635

Goku (60%): 5,000
Goku (100%): 8,333

All these 100% numbers for Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan would make a lot of sense.

And Tenshinhan?

 

[GSM123]

I find these numbers you’re giving interesting, and they make a lot of sense when compared to other characters’ resting power levels.

Against Raditz:

Goku (60%): 416
Goku (100%): 693

Piccolo (60%): 408
Piccolo (100%): 680

Against Nappa:

Piccolo (60%): 1,220
Piccolo (100%): 2,033

Krillin (60%): 1,083
Krillin (100%): 1,805

Gohan (60%): 981
Gohan (100%): 1,635

Goku (60%): 5,000
Goku (100%): 8,333

All these 100% numbers for Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan would make a lot of sense.

Kuririn at 90% of Piccolo? Nah.

 

[SSJ2]

So what about beyond the Saiyan arc? Does Piccolo’s amp improve beyond the Makankosappo for his other ki attacks?

 

[GSM123]

So what about beyond the Saiyan arc? Does Piccolo’s amp improve beyond the Makankosappo for his other ki attacks?

Probably. I’m waiting for P to chime in and ask his questions so we can go in detail about it.

I like android saga amp at 1.66x, it’s comfortably above 1.33x.

 

[Piramid89]

And Tenshinhan?

The thing is, there aren’t exact numbers for Tenshinhan directly in the manga, but if we go by the Daizenshuu 7 (1,830), Krillin’s power would be pretty close to Tenshinhan’s. Basically, they’d be around that range.

Kuririn at 90% of Piccolo? Nah.

Well, according to the manga, the reference for their power levels at rest is what gives us an idea.

 

[GSM123]

Well, according to the manga, the reference for their power levels at rest is what gives us an idea.

Tenshinhan. I think either Kuririn caps at 1500~1600 (as implied on Namek) or Piccolo is a bit higher than just 2k. The former makes more sense since it gives room for Enraged Gohan >> Piccolo.

 

[Piramid89]

Tenshinhan. I think either Kuririn caps at 1500~1600 (as implied on Namek) or Piccolo is a bit higher than just 2k. The former makes more sense since it gives room for Enraged Gohan >> Piccolo.

I would rule out that 1500 was his maximum. I highly doubt that they went all out against those two soldiers of Freeza. Especially since even Krillin says that those two aren't that strong.

 

[Power Level Guy]

So what about beyond the Saiyan arc? Does Piccolo’s amp improve beyond the Makankosappo for his other ki attacks?

Yeah, I don’t think SBC improves. He can charge it up for a long time and be super powerful but he doesn’t improve it.

I think Piccolo’s amp catches up to the Saiyan’s amp in the Android Saga.

Hellzone Grenade is probably on par with Saiyan/Namek Kamehameha and Light Grenade is BBA level.

Probably. I’m waiting for P to chime in and ask his questions so we can go in detail about it.

I like android saga amp at 1.66x, it’s comfortably above 1.33x.

I’ve been doing ok with 1.5x amp for Android Saga amp. It fits good for a lot of things.

My big question here is what is your amp for Saiyan Saga Kamehameha and what is Light Grenade? These two need to be different. They have to be. I’m in a tight spot with Goku’s Kamehameha at 1.33x against Raditz. I’m not sure what to do right now I’m in trouble. Because for me to keep Light Grenade at 1.5x I need it to be at most 1.33x. Decisions decisions.

I’m going to have to go over the anime subbed and read the manga for this section.

@ahill originated the super small ki amps, maybe he can give some feedback here.

OG KHH is probably like 1.2-1.25

Super Kamehameha is 1.33 but might have to be 1.5x

If Super Kamehameha is 1.5x then Light Grenade needs to be 2x

If Light Grenade is 2x that makes BBA that strong which isn’t good for Vegeta vs 18.

So Light Grenade must be capped out by BBA which can’t be above 1.5x so that answers our question really.

Light Grenade >> BBA would be wrong I’d say.

 

[GSM123]

I think OG Kamehameha is no amp. 1.2x to 1.33x is too small for the hype Super Kamehameha god. Back then even Roshi’s Kamehameha was no bigger than his hands, Goku’s Super Kamehameha was 3x his own size. Of course, size is inconsistent, but that’s the first giant blast of the series.

So Super KHH (23TB/Saiyan): 1.33x
Big Bang Attack: 1.5-1.6x?
Light Grenade: 1.66x

 

[SSJ2]

OG KHH has to have amp. Roshi was confident his would be better than Goku's. No amp would mean he assumes Goku's would have negative amp

 

[Power Level Guy]

OG KHH has to have amp. Roshi was confident his would be better than Goku's. No amp would mean he assumes Goku's would have negative amp

Yeah. And Dodonpa should have an amp and Kamehameha should be above that.

Back then even Roshi’s Kamehameha was no bigger than his hands, Goku’s Super Kamehameha was 3x his own size. Of course, size is inconsistent, but that’s the first giant blast of the series

Definitely wouldn't go by size for this issue. The ki amp progression is miniscule compared to what we are used to.

 

[GSM123]

OG KHH has to have amp. Roshi was confident his would be better than Goku's. No amp would mean he assumes Goku's would have negative amp

I’m sure Kuririn’s newbie Kamehameha had negative amp, Goku stopped it with one hand. If a blast is generating more power than anything you can do without it, it’s not really a fail.