Ki vs Power

[Kyo]

words words words

 

[ahill1]

Lulz

On a different take, I think the thing regarding tiring out may be more biology related than physics. When Goku shot that super KMHMH Roshi called Kuririn and said "Goku isn't tired at all despite doing that... amazing" and Roshi highlighted Goku's stamina when praising him in a similar way earlier vs Tenshinhan.

It's much more on the stamina someone has. Like, some fighters can use a constant 100% effort and go 5 rounds without tiring up much and keeping a non-stop pacing (for whoever likes UFC, Volkanovski is the primary example), while fighters who have more stamina issues, will hold back their effort initially not to tire up later on... it's not like they're accessing reserves higher than their own power, their reserves are more like their full intensity, which they do not use initially, to do so when it's a more appropriate time.

Let's say two fighters have a similar potency within their attacks, 100 let's say... but one, in the later rounds, is already gassed out while the other is fine, while both had been using a similar pacing from the start. The fighter who isn't gassed out has the stamina advantage, that is, he can use 100% while losing less potency... it's not like they have some additional power influencing that, their add on power in this case would be their body abilities, either natural of from much stamina training, to thrown in 100 blows while remaining freshier afterwards, losing less of that 100 with time... if they had their energy absorbed, they'd give the same ability to the one who absorbed it... with the difference that one's stamina is simply better.

Goku vs Tenshinhan 22nd Budokai for instance. If we speak of something that goes beyond their sensible chi, Tenshinhan has plenty more via the KIkoho. But in terms of endurance and stamina, Goku excels... since it isn't much of an extra energy on top of his 100%, it is his ability to use 100% with low % loss.

@Kyo read this one here, you fucker

 

[VampireWicked]

Woah that is the largest strawman I've ever seen. Power can be maintained while losing energy up to a certain point. Therefore, power doesn't drop at the same rate as one's energy does. That's literally all I'm saying. I've already presented examples and I'm not interested in a physics lecture considering I aced AP Physics years ago.

Let's establish middle ground here. You can maintain speed while losing stamina, correct?

Whatever dude you continue to move the goal posts so I don't wanna hear it from you, if you aced it then you should know there's a 1 on 1 relationship between Energy & Power.
I couldn't careless what you're interested in. I'm saying your claim lacks reasoning & is nothing more than a general statement.
You said there wasn't a 1 on 1 & I disagreed & provided evidence of the relationship.

 

[Goku9001]

Whatever dude you continue to move the goal posts so I don't wanna hear it from you, if you aced it then you should know there's a 1 on 1 relationship between Energy & Power.
I couldn't careless what you're interested in. I'm saying your claim lacks reasoning & is nothing more than a general statement.
You said there wasn't a 1 on 1 & I disagreed & provided evidence of the relationship.

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was using the wrong term for it but what I really meant was that power doesn't necessarily drop at the same rate as energy does as I have asserted countless times. It should be obvious to anyone that power depends on energy because you can't produce power without energy but that literally wasn't the discussion to begin with.

It's really not my problem if you are hyperfixated on semantics rather than understanding one's argument as a whole. Everybody else seemed to have understood just fine instead of you.

 

[VampireWicked]

I really don't know what you're talking about. I was using the wrong term for it but what I really meant was that power doesn't necessarily drop at the same rate as energy does as I have asserted countless times. It should be obvious to anyone that power depends on energy because you can't produce power without energy but that literally wasn't the discussion to begin with.

It's really not my problem if you are hyperfixated on semantics rather than understanding one's argument as a whole. Everybody else seemed to have understood just fine instead of you.

FINALLY, YES You did phrase it poorly.
What you should've said....There is no simultaneous drop rate relationship between Energy & Power.
This I agree with 100% as Energy can drop however the user can still with effort & control can maintain the same level of power.


Your badly stated claim turned it into that type of discussion, that's why I asked you to go into detail yet you continued repeating the same poorly phrased claim.
You were saying 1 thing & claiming another.

Hey it happens no biggie.

 

[Goku9001]

Lulz

On a different take, I think the thing regarding tiring out may be more biology related than physics. When Goku shot that super KMHMH Roshi called Kuririn and said "Goku isn't tired at all despite doing that... amazing" and Roshi highlighted Goku's stamina when praising him in a similar way earlier vs Tenshinhan.

It's much more on the stamina someone has. Like, some fighters can use a constant 100% effort and go 5 rounds without tiring up much and keeping a non-stop pacing (for whoever likes UFC, Volkanovski is the primary example), while fighters who have more stamina issues, will hold back their effort initially not to tire up later on... it's not like they're accessing reserves higher than their own power, their reserves are more like their full intensity, which they do not use initially, to do so when it's a more appropriate time.

Let's say two fighters have a similar potency within their attacks, 100 let's say... but one, in the later rounds, is already gassed out while the other is fine, while both had been using a similar pacing from the start. The fighter who isn't gassed out has the stamina advantage, that is, he can use 100% while losing less potency... it's not like they have some additional power influencing that, their add on power in this case would be their body abilities, either natural of from much stamina training, to thrown in 100 blows while remaining freshier afterwards, losing less of that 100 with time... if they had their energy absorbed, they'd give the same ability to the one who absorbed it... with the difference that one's stamina is simply better.

Goku vs Tenshinhan 22nd Budokai for instance. If we speak of something that goes beyond their sensible chi, Tenshinhan has plenty more via the KIkoho. But in terms of endurance and stamina, Goku excels... since it isn't much of an extra energy on top of his 100%, it is his ability to use 100% with low % loss.

@Kyo read this one here, you fucker

Yes. Across two equal fighters, Power and Total Energy should remain the same. Frieza wasn't that far off from Goku but he gassed out far too quickly compared to SSJ Goku whose power didn't drop. Stamina was definitely at play here and it's basically like you said, the rate of energy consumption. SSJ3 Goku has a significant amount of energy compared to his other forms but cannot be maintained nearly as long because it consumes too much energy i.e. rate of energy consumption is far too high.

 

[VampireWicked]

Yes. Across two equal fighters, Power and Total Energy should remain the same. Frieza wasn't that far off from Goku but he gassed out far too quickly compared to SSJ Goku whose power didn't drop. Stamina was definitely at play here and it's basically like you said, the rate of energy consumption. SSJ3 Goku has a significant amount of energy compared to his other forms but cannot be maintained nearly as long because it consumes too much energy i.e. rate of energy consumption is far too high.

Goku would be able if not already by now Mastered SuperSaiyan3 the more he experiences it.
Same with SuperSaiyan Grades 2 & 3, with Kaioken, once they get to a point where they tolerate high levels of Ki then the efficiency for management increases.

That's why Gohan in ResurrectionF passed out, his lack of training at that point lost his physical tolerance for that level of Power so he quickly burnt out.

Train or experience that form for long periods of time, you adjust & adapt to it, using it becomes much more easier & way more efficient.
But that doesn't scale backwards.