Kibito VS 100% Freeza

[Captain Cadaver]

The featless attendant VS The series' most common benchmark. Kibito wasn't included in 's statement of oneshotting Freeza, which would imply he's either unable to defeat Freeza or not far enough above him to the extent of oneshotting. Which do you take it as?

No SSjin3 Kibito allowed.

 

[Papasmurf]

DBS Kiboto rapes

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He was obviously using the invisible SSjin expansion of Freezamite's patented Invisible Kaioken aura control device against Zamasu.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I can't see Kibito losing to be honest.

 

[Animelover5487]

Freeza wins. If Kibito was stronger than Freeza, Shin would have stated it plain and simple.

 

[Keedounan]

Kibito stomps based on his performance against Zamasu. The Kaioshins were said to be able to oneshot Freeza, and Zamasu is even stronger than all of them combined. The fact that Kibito could fight that well against him, suppressed or not, makes it clear that Freeza doesn't stand a chance.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why Kibito not being on the statement implies he isn't able to one shot Freeza? He wasn't even on the context of the converstation.

Anyway, i think Kibito stomps. The way he looks down on ningens makes me think he's way stronger than the most known/powerful (Not counting Z Fighters) of them, which is Freeza.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Why Kibito not being on the statement implies he isn't able to one shot Freeza? He wasn't even on the context of the converstation.

Considering the benchmark and their current situation, I don't see why Shin wouldn't include him in the statement to further drive home the point to Vegeta that even with those two there to back the Ningen up, Boo was still not to be trifled with.

 

[Animelover5487]

Kibito stomps based on his performance against Zamasu. The Kaioshins were said to be able to oneshot Freeza, and Zamasu is even stronger than all of them combined. The fact that Kibito could fight that well against him, suppressed or not, makes it clear that Freeza doesn't stand a chance.

I wouldn't use that fight is an indication of Kibito's power. It was a friendly sparring match, Zamasu wasn't going to humiliate a fellow Kaioshin attendant. Besides, Kibito was defeated pretty quick anyway.

 

[SSJ2]

I give this to Freeza pretty handily. I have Kibito on par with Namek Gohan (@3rd Form Freeza)

 

[Flame]

Frieza>Base Saiyans>Kibito

Kibito gets wrecked

 

[Six Trails]

I think Kibito wins. “But why didn’t the characters say this!” is not a very convincing argument, in my opinion. From a writer’s perspective, I think that it’d just be awkward to squeeze in a random statement about an irrelevant character’s strength when it doesn’t even change anything. Kaioshin saying something to the effect of “Oh, and my servant Kibito can one-shot Freeza as well.” would just seem forced.

Not necessarily saying that it’s faulty logic, either. Just not enough to convince me.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think Kibito wins. “But why didn’t the characters say this!” is not a very convincing argument, in my opinion. From a writer’s perspective, I think that it’d just be awkward to squeeze in a random statement about an irrelevant character’s strength when it doesn’t even change anything. Kaioshin saying something to the effect of “Oh, and my servant Kibito can one-shot Freeza as well.” would just seem forced.

Not necessarily saying that it’s faulty logic, either. Just not enough to convince me.

Whilst I can understand that line of thinking, would you say there's anything to suggest Kibito is that high (not counting DBS)? After all, the Z-Sword scene makes it clear the implication of him rivalling Base Gohan that the Daizenshuu goes with isn't true and Goku's comment of him being "no average joe" doesn't say much.
Only thing I can think of to solidly vouch for him is his constant comments of believing no mortal could achieve such a power on various instances regarding Gohan, which would seem somewhat redundant if he weren't at least somewhat relevant to his master. I guess you could also use his flight speed being on par with Gohan as an indication of him not being complete trash, though flight speed feats are very inconsistent in the Boo Arc (eg. Gohan finding the Kinto'Un a somewhat relevant benchmark, SSJ Gotenks seeming to have greater flight speed than Gohan Boo, etc.)

 

[Six Trails]

I wouldn't. My placement of him is completely arbitrary; I just have a hard time believing that a bodyguard to a Kaioshin could be so weak.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

To be fair though, he's not exactly a bodyguard, given the purpose of one is to protect their master from danger and therefore usually be stronger than them, yet it's apparent that's not so with Kibito. Not to mention he can fulfil his role by healing his master.

Not saying it's impossible for the idea of him being at least that strong by position alone. Hell, I'd probably roll with that idea through how he tends to treat the mortal level until Gohan shows him otherwise, though I wouldn't say his position as attendant is the most solid implication.

 

[ahill1]

I honestly wouldn't take his fight against Zamasu as an indication of anything, @Keedounan. It's just pretty inconsistent if you think Zamasu wasn't holding back, which is likely the case based on Kaioshin stating the other Kaioshin's level of skill doesn't compare to that of his, or something along those lines. Considering Kibito should be weaker than base Gohan, he somewhat managing to keep up with a Kaioshin+ level foe just doesn't fit.

@Captain Cadaver --> whilst Kaioshin not including Kibito may indicate this latter isn't strong enough to one shot Freeza, wouldn't you have to conclude [androids saga] Piccolo is also not strong enough to instantly defeat Freeza based on Kami's statement when going by this line of thinking?

Chapter: 356 (DBZ 162), P3.1
God: “Things turned out this way against the androids…Even for that ‘Trunks’ boy who came from the future and instantly obliterated Freeza and his father…and even for Vegeta, whose abilities are even greater than Trunks…”

The argument would look pretty similar, in which he adding Piccolo to the "instantly defeat Freeza" group would just further add into how the situation was hopeless as a whole. It'd be, much like if including Kibito, further driving the point home that the Saiyajins just aren't on the androids' leagues, as the androids are stronger than the SSJs who are stronger than Piccolo, and if this latter could also instantly defeat Freeza mentioning him would serve to hyping up the SSJs and consequently the androids, the same way mentioning Kibito would hype up Kaioshin and consequently Boo.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's a pretty good comparison to counter the Kibito ~/< Freeza route. Got nothing to really refute that.

 

[Animelover5487]

Wow that argument has me blown away, nice work Ahill I never even noticed that. That statement actually implies Mecha arc SSJ Trunks > Android arc Piccolo since Kami is talking about the Trunks who killed Freeza at the time, which obviously can't be the case.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I think that you could still argue that in Piccolo's case Kami's comment can't cement Piccolo's inferiority due to the strong implications in favor of Piccolo's power that already give us a nice placement for him, whereas in Kibito's case there is nothing solidly indicating he is above Freeza... but I still think those statements where certain character isn't included aren't always the preferable way to look into a character's standing.

 

[Papasmurf]

I wouldn't refute the Zamasu fight only because Kibito was much weaker in Z. For one thing, other fights where there was a massive gap usually have someone stating the stronger foe is holding back, or doing a power up later and Zamasu also complimented Kibito's skills which I highly doubt he would if he were below Boo arc base Goku. His training gains are ridiculous, but by that logic we should also disregard Vegeta's feats against Beerus and Black in SSJ2