Kid Boo's arc doubt

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I don’t understand your first sentence.
I get your point that Goku wants to challenge himself and be up to this possible new threat, were this to happen, but don't you think the way he says that implies that he himself training and becoming stronger would be their way outta this possible happening?
Sure he stated that. They were instrumental in Earth surviving that battle. However, to fit into my point, Goku doesn’t want to be in that position again. Vegeta wants to eliminate the fat Boo right away to prevent such a situation, but Goku wants to use it as an opportunity to further push himself to the next level so that he won’t need to rely on people again.
What about Goku stating that weren't for Mr.Satan and Mr. Boo aiding in Earth's salvation? Doesn't that sound strange when Earth is supposed to have warriors capable enough of dealing with such threat?
 

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1. Well sure, but he’s not saying it as if it’s the only way. I think you’re overthinking the statement a little bit man. In the context of the situation, Goku and Vegeta were the only ones fighting Pure Boo. The likes of Gohan and Gotenks were not on his mind at the time.. Goku and Vegeta getting stronger would be the surefire way to make sure this situation doesn’t get to this point again. They simply are thinking about themselves in this context and not the kids.

2. Well my answer remains the same, really.. Goku realizes that the only reason they survived this go with Boo was thanks to the help of Good Boo and Satan. In the future he doesn’t want it to be this way again..

There is also the matter of Goku assuming Vegeta’s wish was to bring Gohan and Gotenks to the planet to fight Boo. That right there shows us that he knows there are capable enough fighters at the ready, but it’s also not like them to want to rely on others to save the day..

Idk where this is going really lol.
 

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ahill1 said:
If Kid Boo destroying the Earth was indeed in Vegeta's mind, don't you think he'd add a "but he can just destroy the Earth!!" to Goku's response, in which he merely stated they should train to prevent this from happening? I think Vegeta would have made his point more clearly if the possibility of Earth's destruction were really a pertinent thought on his mind.
Judging from how the scene plays out, it appears that Vegeta just decided to avoid any further disputes seeing as no one supported his plan of action + it'd look bad to kill someone that helped them achieve the victory (which Goku mentioned). Vegeta's message was straightforward, so reiterating it probably would've been redundant anyway. He still found the decision idiotic though.

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[mention]Spiral-Force[/mention] -- regarding the point of "there also being the fusion available for them" that you've raised earlier, do you think it'd be on Goku's mind when Vegeta stated he'd never fuse with Goku again? Goku even rejected such idea when introduced the earrings in the Zamasu saga iirc.

[mention]Supreme[/mention] -- Goku realized that they survived this long due to the Mr. Boo and Satan... But how would it doom Earth when there are two warriors there capable of defending it?
 

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I'll say it again. :king :king :king

Boo's weird anatomy. His evil self ate his good self and he powered-up times a million. They don't know what can happen.
 

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So he was assuming that a Boo stronger than the ones shown (bar absorptions) could be formed? I don't get it...
 

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Yeah, how was Kid Boo back when Gray-Boo technically should have been the one Super-Boo reverted to? Or how could Good Boo and Kid Boo co-exist when Kid Boo turned into Majin Boo in the first place after abosrbing the Kaio? Boo makes no sense.
 

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Because the entire Boo Arc was caused by Fat Boo spawning an evil Boo. Vegeta doesn't want that to happen again.

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ahill1 said:
@Spiral-Force -- regarding the point of "there also being the fusion available for them" that you've raised earlier, do you think it'd be on Goku's mind when Vegeta stated he'd never fuse with Goku again?
Goku put up an excellent fight against Kid Buu 1vs1, and was capable of vanquishing him at full power. He couldn't get the job done due to his power dropping while attempting to refill, but with further training, he'd be more prepared and would perform even better. Fusion is something that he brings up as a backup plan or last resort for when there's practically no other way out; this procedure not being at the forefront of his thought process is in-line with his character in this circumstance, regardless of Vegeta's dislike for it.

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Goku even rejected such idea when introduced the earrings in the Zamasu saga iirc.
Goku's the one that actually suggested fusion during those events.

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ahill1 said:
@Spiral-Force -- regarding the point of "there also being the fusion available for them" that you've raised earlier, do you think it'd be on Goku's mind when Vegeta stated he'd never fuse with Goku again?
Goku put up an excellent fight against Kid Buu 1vs1, and was capable of vanquishing him at full power. He couldn't get the job done due to his power dropping while attempting to refill, but with further training, he'd be more prepared and would perform even better. Fusion is something that he brings up as a backup plan or last resort for when there's practically no other way out; this procedure not being at the forefront of his thought process is in-line with his character in this circumstance, regardless of Vegeta's dislike for it.

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Goku even rejected such idea when introduced the earrings in the Zamasu saga iirc.
Goku's the one that actually suggested fusion during those events.

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I know. You said that Goku wanted to sort things in a personal combat and that he obviously didn't list everything availble to defeat Kid Boo, as he glossed over fusion as well. What I am raising is that if the fusion would even come off as an option to Goku, as he knows Vegeta doesn't want to fuse anymore. I am pretty sure that in the manga version of the Zamasu's arc, he rejected merging through the Potara once Kaioshin (or Gowasu, can't remember) brought it up.
 

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ahill1 said:
I know. You said that Goku wanted to sort things in a personal combat and that he obviously didn't list everything availble to defeat Kid Boo, as he glossed over fusion as well. What I am raising is that if the fusion would even come off as an option to Goku, as he knows Vegeta doesn't want to fuse anymore.
I acknowledged what you raised and I more or less addressed it previously. Vegeta's general unwillingness to fuse won't stop Goku from bringing it up when choices are really limited; the most recent example of this is the DBS Broly movie. When Vegeta sees the bigger picture, even he can put aside his pride and follow through.

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I am pretty sure that in the manga version of the Zamasu's arc, he rejected merging through the Potara once Kaioshin (or Gowasu, can't remember) brought it up.
In the Super manga he was mostly neutral about it at first. If Vegeta didn't decline, then I doubt he would've rejected it.

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Spiral-Force said:
ahill1 said:
I know. You said that Goku wanted to sort things in a personal combat and that he obviously didn't list everything availble to defeat Kid Boo, as he glossed over fusion as well. What I am raising is that if the fusion would even come off as an option to Goku, as he knows Vegeta doesn't want to fuse anymore.
I acknowledged what you raised and I more or less addressed it previously. Vegeta's general unwillingness to fuse won't stop Goku from bringing it up when choices are really limited; the most recent example of this is the DBS Broly movie. When Vegeta sees the bigger picture, even he can put aside his pride and follow through.

ahill1 said:
I am pretty sure that in the manga version of the Zamasu's arc, he rejected merging through the Potara once Kaioshin (or Gowasu, can't remember) brought it up.
In the Super manga he was mostly neutral about it at first. If Vegeta didn't decline, then I doubt he would've rejected it.

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How was it in the Broly movie again? Was Goku the one who brought it up? Honestly can't remember.

Fair enough though. What's your opinion on Goku stating that if it weren't for Mr. Satan and Boo the world would be doomed? Can it imply Kid Boo was an untoppable force?
 

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I don’t see how you gather that from that quote at all man. The world would have literally been destroyed if Satan and Boo weren’t there to stall for time. If Goku was more powerful then the world would not be doomed.
 

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I don’t see how you gather that from that quote at all man. The world would have literally been destroyed if Satan and Boo weren’t there to stall for time. If Goku was more powerful then the world would not be doomed.

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P5.4-5
Context: after Goku tells Dende to heal good Boo
Goku: “Well, it’s alright, ain’t it Vegeta? This Boo and Mister Satan both did well. If these two hadn’t been here, then we and everyone else would have been done in. Right?…And if worse comes to worse, we can just fight again. Let’s train so that this time for sure we won’t lose even if we go one-on-one.”


This doesn't seem to imply that the Kaioshin's realm would be the only thing destroyed... why say "we and everyone else" if Gohan and Gotenks can easily defeat Kid Boo? Plus:


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Saying Goku successfully saved the Earth sounds strange with two opponents there capable of degating Kid Boo.
 

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What’s stopping Boo from teleporting to Earth and blowing it up after?
 

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Well, Kid Boo sensed Goku and Vegeta's chi, went to Kaioshin Kai and never once attempted blowing it up. There's no way to know what he may do. He's unpredictable. But Goku projecting a future combat in which they will partake tells me he wasn't considering this as an option.
 

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I don’t see what else there is to say about this. You seem pretty set in that belief, and I’m not willing to ignore all other evidence that tells us that Gohan/Gotenks >>> Goku, all to make a vague statement about the future “work”. To me it’s as simple as Goku saying that everyone would’ve been doomed in that situation had Boo/Satan not been there. The Genki Dama would have failed, Goku/Vegeta would have failed, and then Boo would be free to continue blowing up all of the planets in the universe. There’s nothing Gohan or Gotenks would be able to do about that. The latter part of Goku’s statement is addressing the fact that he needs to power up and make sure such a situation doesn’t happen again, given it’s his choice to allow Good Boo to live. I really don’t see any need to overcomplicate it any more than this given the plethora of evidence that shows how weak Goku is in regards to the kids.

I have nothing more to say on this.
 

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ahill1 said:
How was it in the Broly movie again? Was Goku the one who brought it up? Honestly can't remember.
Yes, briefly after using Shunkan Ido to escape from Broly.

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Fair enough though. What's your opinion on Goku stating that if it weren't for Mr. Satan and Boo the world would be doomed? Can it imply Kid Boo was an untoppable force?
I agree with what Supreme said. I understand that you like to play devil's advocate, but this doesn't require deep thinking.
 
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