Kids vs Adults

[ahill1]

I don't see how that makes sense. Trunks is the one that mentions appropriately in the first place. That means he already has it in his mind to not attack her at full-power. Goten giving him another warning is just making sure he knows to hold-back. They're kids.

Goten saw how Trunks could properly control his chi earlier in their figh, so him just making sure Trunks knows how to hold back seems pretty forced. Why wouldn't he say that instead?

That's...not stated. And who said anything about 1/10 of anything?

One tenth is still being generous if you think the kids are close to the adults.

Everything is pointing to them needing to control their power to attack #18.

Him saying "it's #18", "she is tough" indicates otherwise though. He is making a big deal of her.

Trunks said she won't die if they do it appropriately.

And then he says "it's #18", which indicates they won't kill her because she is tough. How do you work with it?

The anime line is basically parroting what the manga says. A controlled blast won't kill #18. If they don't control it right, the opposite will take place.

Why'd the blast be < Trunks. Couldn't the "controlling it right" blast be = Trunks and the "FP blast" be >> Trunks? That'd at least make more sense with Trunks thinking high of her. And we know blasts are amplified.

What you're basically saying is Trunks is saying she won't die no matter what, which doesn't make any sense, nor would he need to mention anything regarding being appropriate if it wasn't necessary in the situation.

I think you are not considering Trunks saying she is #18 and making a big deal out of her. They can hit her hard because she is also a big deal

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I dunno. Apparently Trunks telling him he was going to do Chi-blasts appropriately wasn't enough, or he probably wouldn't have felt a need to remind him.

I don't think the kids are close to the adults.

If Trunks saying "It's #18" is enough to negate his previous comment, then there's no reason for him to take Goten's suggestion on not using full-power into consideration. Trunks says, "I know, I know", so not using full-power was something that likely would've took place whether Goten reminded him or not.

I work with it by looking at the context in its entirety.

Trunks wants to use Chi-blasts because they can't fight in the costume. Goten isn't so sure about the idea. Trunks reassures Goten that she won't die if they do it appropriately. He then mentions that she's #18, implying she's tough. That means she was still tough enough to take Chi-blasts (without being killed) in general because he still intended to finish the battle with one.

That doesn't mean she can take full-power Chi-blasts. #18 is tough enough to take Chi-blasts done appropriately. #18 is not tough enough to take any Chi-blasts at full-power--hence Trunks deciding to hold-back.

Trunks intended to take her down with a Chi-blast. Just not a full-power one because it wouldn't be appropriate in the situation.

In Trunks' mind, his held-back Chi-blast would've been enough to win the fight without them needing to engage her in a close battle. So from his perspective, Held-back blast>#18.

I took it into consideration and I think my explanation above gives a good solution for it. If it's enough to negate what he said in the same sentence, then him opting not to use full-power means he wasn't comfortable with hitting her with his strongest attack. The only reason why he wouldn't be comfortable is if he thought she couldn't handle it. That means the part of his dialogue about needing to do it appropriately is still pretty accurate.

 

[Cell]

What I took from the quote was that Trunks respects 18's power due to her previous encounter with his dad. Goten freaks out, knowing a full-powered blast from their SSJ selves would be too much, Trunks makes it clear he'll be suppressed to an "appropriate" level, as to not kill her... but his estimations of her actual power is... excessive. Something like:

SSJ Trunks Full Powered Blast >>>>>> SSJ Trunks Suppressed Blast > [SSJ Trunks Estimations] 18 >> 18

 

[ahill1]

@Evil Vegeta - fair enough. So the "She is #18" doesn't necessarily negate the blast being suppressed, right? I just find a bit weird to mention #18's potential in that case if suppressing it were the main reason.

@Cell - I'd say Trunks underrated #18 rather than overestimating her. The blast wasn't enough to do the job, like he thought.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Right. I think he mainly said it to calm Goten down. but also to reassure the fact that Chi-blasts were okay as long as they weren't packing too much power. Goten really seemed uncomfortable about going with the Chi-blast strategy, so I figure Trunks had to insinuate that #18 isn't just an ordinary fighter who's unable to take any Chi-blasts. It just has to be controlled in that situation.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Thank god the kids are irrelevant on Super.