King Cold vs Kaio-Ken x20 Goku (KHH)

[Fantastische Hure]

Can he tank it? (Doubt it)

Can he survive it, if he were hit head-on?

Can he block it with his hands (and a possible Kiai) like Freeza did?

Can he kick it away (casually or not)?

wot???

 

[Papasmurf]

I think he's certainly over Freeza's 50% to be able to be of help against SSJ Goku so he should brush this off no problem

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think he's certainly over Freeza's 50% to be able to be of help against SSJ Goku so he should brush this off no problem

brush it off as in tank it or kick it away or block or something???

 

[Papasmurf]

All 3

 

[Fantastische Hure]

For some reason tanking it seems too far out there, but you are probably right.

 

[Papasmurf]

I mean it's one thing to be hit by a powerful blast from an enemy fairly close to you and get damaged, but one that's basically half your power? I see it putting dirt on his armor at best. 50% Freeza is nothing to SSJ Namek Goku and couldn't even hurt him with a clean hit of his death beam when he let him hit him with it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I mean it's one thing to be hit by a powerful blast from an enemy fairly close to you, but one that's basically half your power? I see it putting dirt on his armor at best. 50% Freeza is nothing to SSJ Namek Goku and couldn't even hurt him with a clean hit of his death beam when he let him hit him with it.

True, but then just double that was able to somewhat competitively fight against SSj Goku.

But then again his KHH amp is probably lower, too since the KHH was still below 50% Freeza, even-though now that I think about it, I remember there being a dialogue that implies that Freeza used more than 50% to block Goku's KHH, but it couldn't have been 70% or he wouldn't have struggled so much, I think.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think Freeza used more than 50% at the time, actually. The way Freeza bragged about his 70% to SSJ Goku, it looked like thats the first time he used 70% on him directly. Goku even said after the blast that he really was using 50% of his power and wasn't bluffing. He probably still used 70% when he blocked the Genki-dama though, since he'd have had no reason not to use it when he said he almost thought he died.

 

[Six Trails]

I think Cold tanks with ease.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think Freeza used more than 50% at the time, actually. The way Freeza bragged about his 70% to SSJ Goku, it looked like thats the first time he used 70% on him directly. Goku even said after the blast that he really was using 50% of his power and wasn't bluffing. He probably still used 70% when he blocked the Genki-dama though, since he'd have had no reason not to use it when he said he almost thought he died.

He did say that, but didn't he say it in a way like "He has really only been using 50% and has way more power left.", like he just found-out himself that he had more power left, by Freeza being able to block the KHH.

Come to think of it, though if the KHH really did make 70% Freeza struggle (if he was 70% when he blocked) that just means the amplification was bigger than I thought.

 

[Papasmurf]

I think an increase from 50% to 70% would be noted, though, since that's close to a 50% increase from the 50% ( ) so Goku could mean Freeza defended against the KHH in a way that showed glimpses of his hidden power. Plus, Freeza's boast to SSJ Goku about underestimating him when he officially dishes out his 70% seems unwarranted if he used it on Goku way before the SSJ transformation. After all, we know he wasn't even using 70% when he used the death beam on Goku's face, and he was way more cornered then than he was against the x20 KHH

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think an increase from 50% to 70% would be noted, though, since that's close to a 50% increase from the 50% ( ) so Goku could mean Freeza defended against the KHH in a way that showed glimpses of his hidden power. Plus, Freeza's boast to SSJ Goku about underestimating him when he officially dishes out his 70% seems unwarranted if he used it on Goku way before the SSJ transformation. After all, we know he wasn't even using 70% when he used the death beam on Goku's face, and he was way more cornered then than he was against the x20 KHH

That could be it. I think you are right.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah it'd just feel weird for Freeza to say to Goku he underestimated him just after he uses 70% to blast him with that kiai if Goku already saw that power in a direct struggle with the KHH. It'd be like if Trunks actually tapped into SSJg3 when he blasted Vegeta away to get to Cell, yet acted like no one knew that power lol

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah it'd just feel weird for Freeza to say to Goku he underestimated him just after he uses 70% to blast him with that kiai if Goku already saw that power in a direct struggle with the KHH. It'd be like if Trunks actually tapped into SSJg3 when he blasted Vegeta away to get to Cell, yet acted like no one knew that power lol

That's actually a good point on the under-estimating part, I didn't think of that.