KKx2 Goku vs Freeza debunked

[Power Level Guy]

On one hand, when asked to show his full power, Goku uses Kaioken, so this theory has a little weight to it, but overall, I find issues with it. I think they are just using flight auras in their battle.

Also, Freeza estimates Goku can get 5-10x more powerful. If Goku is already using Kaioken, then him getting 10x stronger would be Kkx20, which wouldn't make sense because Kkx20 is well above Freeza's prediction for Goku's top power.

All in all, it's clear that Goku cannot be using Kkx2 against Freeza, because it goes against Freeza's own estimates and reactions to Goku's power.

 

[Father]

When does Freeza estimate Gokus FP
being 5-10x his FP base~KK fanbuddy?

 

[Power Level Guy]

When he says he estimates Goku can get 5-10x stronger but that still won't bee nough against his 50% power.

Hopefully it's not just a Viz ism. Let's see.

 

[Father]

When he says he estimates Goku can get 5-10x stronger but that still won't bee nough against his 50% power.

Hopefully it's not just a Viz ism. Let's see.

Freeza only mentions that he thinks
Goku is hiding a lot of power.
no mention of 5-10x….

Yeah, Viz is the shits it seems.

 

[Dagon]

Haha P falls to the Viz-isms!

More fuel for my... project.

@LeatherDaddy Dragon Ball CN yes?

Isn't this

Spoiler

Viz?

Can't find that "5-10x" statement P is talking about.

 

[Kyo]

The simple fact that he’s never stated to be using KKx2 at this point in the fight is enough. The KKx10 portion is framed in a weird way to make it a surprise to Tenshinhan and co. that Goku was already using it, but ultimately it’s still stated that he used it. This is not the case pre 50% Freeza, so any notion of him using KK there is headcanon.

 

[Pakl]

Where is it even stated Goku used Kaioken x2? He didn't in the anike, and the color manga doesn't show him using it.

 

[Father]

Haha P falls to the Viz-isms!

More fuel for my... project.

@LeatherDaddy Dragon Ball CN yes?

Isn't this

Spoiler

Viz?

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Can't find that "5-10x" statement P is talking about.

What is CN lol
It’s some Chinese site that a friend
shared to me that has all the JPN raw
from tankobons

 

[Power Level Guy]

Can't find that "5-10x" statement P is talking about.

Hmm, have I fallen victim to a fanslation? Hmm...

The simple fact that he’s never stated to be using KKx2 at this point in the fight is enough. The KKx10 portion is framed in a weird way to make it a surprise to Tenshinhan and co. that Goku was already using it, but ultimately it’s still stated that he used it. This is not the case pre 50% Freeza, so any notion of him using KK there is headcanon.

Agreed, everything else has been mentioned so why wouldn't this be.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Sorry dudes, I messed up here. Just an error on my part, not sure where I saw that 5-10x thing.

 

[Father]

lol no need to apologize fanbuddy.

that being said, re-reading the fight
made me remember how I fell in love
with this series in the first place.
It came with positives.

 

[Power Level Guy]

lol no need to apologize fanbuddy.

that being said, re-reading the fight
made me remember how I fell in love
with this series in the first place.
It came with positives.

Awesome man. Yeah bro, after debating this nonsense for so long, I've never actually sat down and watched the Z anime completely. I've read the manga countless times for debating purposes, but for enjoyment, never got around to watching Z. I watched Kai because the time investment seemed great, but it didn't hit quite right. But man oh man, I just started watching Z and finished Freeza, and this thing is as good as I always knew it was. I absolutely loved it, was not bothered one second with the filler either. I can't wait to finish this series and just enjoy it man. This is like my favorite show of all time. Awesome to relive the nostalgia, what a great series.

And man, this Freeza portion of the series is just goated. Everything 1st Form Freeza to 100% Freeza is just amazing. And Freeza vs Base Goku is amazing as well. Just everything is so good. It's a good time right now going through this stuff.

 

[Dagon]

What is CN lol
It’s some Chinese site that a friend
shared to me that has all the JPN raw
from tankobons

I think it is in the "links to guides" threads here. I guess CN means China here.