M5 SSjin Goku vs SSjin Goku Post Yardat

[Pakl]

I have them equals... power of 235 million

 

[Fantastische Hure]

post-yardrat goku annihilates (hey i used a long word)

 

[Captain Cadaver]

M5 Goku stomps imo.

 

[Pakl]

Why?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I could say the same to those voting for SSJ Yardrat Goku. Nothing directly points to either of them solidly being superior. However, the reasons for my choice are:

- M5 Goku was probably significantly above his Freeza Arc self, even before the Zenkai. Some time did seem to have passed since the Freeza Arc, after all.
- The way SSJ Goku tanked Coola's punch. I don't see Yardrat Goku doing that to someone above Freeza.

 

[Lord Brofist]

Unless you use a small SSJ amp for movie 5...and I suppose there's not a problem with that, you are going to have movie 5 Goku massively stronger than his canon counterpart.

You have a guy who is literally stated, twice, each one more certain than the last, that he can defeat Freeza in his base form. Even if you only accounted that as 50% Freeza, that is a massive difference between movie 5 Goku and Namek Goku.

Poor Yardrat Goku is going to get his face ripped off by the sheer impact of Movie 5 Goku's foot.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I don't see the M5 Base Goku > 100%/50% Freeza argument to be too solid. Coola remarked that SSJ must've been what Goku used to beat Freeza, implying that 100% Freeza's at least stronger than Kaioken x20 M5 Goku.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

M5 Goku takes this. I give Goku a zenkai in M5 so I have M5 Goku (Zenkai) > Yardrat Goku > M5 Goku = Frieza Goku.

M5 Goku (Zenkai): 300,000,000
Yardrat Goku: 250,000,000
M5 Goku (Pre Zenkai): 150,000,000

 

[Lord Brofist]

I don't see the M5 Base Goku > 100%/50% Freeza argument to be too solid. Coola remarked that SSJ must've been what Goku used to beat Freeza, implying that 100% Freeza's at least stronger than Kaioken x20 M5 Goku.

Cooler's basically just saying that SSJ Goku is most likely the cause that defeated Freeza once he sees it with his own eyes. That doesn't keep his previous statements from mattering as he still makes the point that Base Goku had the possibility of defeat Freeza.

 

[SuperGogeta]

Pre Zenkai : Goku loses, i think he might be around Trunks
Post Zenkai : Kaioken x10 or x20 Goku wins, maybe even x5

 

[Pakl]

Goku is not stronger than Freeza in base... he is like OMG Coola is even greater than Freeza lol...

 

[Pakl]

I don't see the M5 Base Goku > 100%/50% Freeza argument to be too solid. Coola remarked that SSJ must've been what Goku used to beat Freeza, implying that 100% Freeza's at least stronger than Kaioken x20 M5 Goku.

Yardat Goku is quite superior to Trunks who is at least > One Armed Gohan who is well above his two hands self who is at least in par with Namek Goku who is > Freeza

Movies gaps are also inconsistent

 

[Lord Brofist]

It is literally STATED...that Movie 5 Base Goku can defeat Freeza. In fact, not only does Cooler state this, he states it twice. Hell, its already stated that Goku is already stronger than he was on Namek at the start of the movie. There's a huge implication that he got another boost in power after eating a Senzu.

Seriously people, are you honestly going to ignore direct statements from the characters.

Movie 5 Base Goku~Freeza, this is outright stated twice. You can't get past this.

 

[Pakl]

Coola states it also before Goku got a zenkai just because he was able to blast Coola back and we know Coola at his initial state is much weaker than Freeza... Goku is also shocked that 5th form Coola > Freeza and Coola later states SSjin Goku was the reason Freeza lost

Base Goku is not stronger.. its illogical

 

[Pyro]

Cooler had suspicions about Goku's ability to defeat Freeza before the senzu, and then when Super Saiyan came out he recognized how Freeza was "no match" for Goku. There's no contradiction.

 

[Pakl]

Coola said it because Goku was able to survive his eye beam... Coola was weaker than Freeza in his true form.. how is it not contradiction

 

[Pyro]

Coola said it because Goku was able to survive his eye beam... Coola was weaker than Freeza in his true form.. how is it not contradiction

>after Goku strikes back while saving Gohan
Cooler: "To be able to strike back at me at his position...he just might have defeated Freeza."

>after they tussle in the water, pre-transformation
Cooler: "Hmph, you do as well as I expected. Enough to have defeated by brother. However, the real hell begins now! Once you witness this Hell, I will show you no mercy, no matter how you scream! Not until I've torn you to bits."

It's clear in Cooler's choice of words that his opinion of Goku is gradually getting more favorable. "Might have" -> "enough to have" -> "no match" is a gradual increase in certainty. There isn't a contradiction simply because Cooler hadn't surpassed Freeza until he transformed.