Mah gaps

[ahill1]

Criticize it:


[Mecha Freeza battle]

King Cold -- 225
Mecha Freeza -- 300
Future Trunks SSJ -- 340
Son Goku SSJ -- 360

[Androids saga]

Android #19 post -- 320
Android #20 post -- 350

Piccolo -- 400

Future Trunks SSJ -- 470
Son Goku SSJ -- 510
Vegeta SSJ -- 530

Android #18 -- 700
Android #17 -- 800


[Cell emerges]


Imperfect Cell -- 575
Piccolo w/Kami (weighted) -- 700
-- non weighted -- 800

Android #18 -- 700
Android #17 -- 800

Imperfect Cell (post earthlings absorptions) -- 1,060
Android #16 -- 1,060

Semi Cell (initial) -- 1,600
--> full power -- 1,800

Future Trunks SSJ(post Rosat) -- 1,610
--> SSJG2 -- 2,300
--> SSJG3 -- 3,600

Vegeta SSJ (post Rosat) -- 1,680
--> SSJG2 -- 2,400


Perfect Cell (initial fake chi) -- 2,200
--> tooling Vegeta -- 3,200


Son Goku FPSSJ (~50%) -- 3,200


[Cell Games]

Yamcha -- 0.22
Tenshinhan -- 0.3
Kuririn -- 0.4

Android #16 -- 1,060

Piccolo -- 3,300
Future Trunks SSJ - 3,800
Vegeta SSJ -- 4,000
Cell Junior -- 4,200

Son Goku FPSSJ -- 6,000
Son Gohan FPSSJ -- 7,000

Perfect Cell [full power] - 10,000

Super Perfect Cell -- 14,000
Son Gohan SSJ2 -- 15,000


[Boo saga]

Android #18 -- 700

Piccolo -- 4,000

Son Goten FPSSJ -- 5,300
Chibi Trunks FPSSJ -- 5,500
Shin -- 6,000

Son Gohan FPSSJ -- 6,000
--> SSJ2 -- 12,000
Dabura -- 12,000

Vegeta FPSSJ -- 7,000
--> SSJ2 -- 14,000

Son Goku FPSSJ -- 8,500
--> SSJ2 -- 17,000

Majin Vegeta SSJ2 -- 17,000


---> Battle against Boo


Fat Boo -- 60,000
Son Goku SSJ3 -- 70,000
Gotenks SSJ (pre Rosat) -- 75,000

Gotenks SSJ (post Rosat) -- 150,000
--> SSJ3 -- 1,200,000

Super Boo -- 1,200,000

Ultimate Gohan -- 1,800,000

Boo-Gotenks -- 2,400,000
Boo-Gohan -- 3,000,000

Vegetto SSJ -- 6,000,000


[Battle against Kid Boo]

Buff Boo -- 1,500,000

Kid Boo -- 68,000
Son Goku SSJ3 -- 70,000

Vegeta SSJ2 -- 17,000 (he still has the Majin power up, because why not?)




So, do they work?

 

[SSJ2]

Why are 19 and 20 post so trash?

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta stated #19 post isn't as bad as the rumors (i.e being considerably above Trunks from 3 years ago), so him being below Trunks would fit Vegeta's statement, as well as him being 'weak' enough that not even after absorbing a lot of Vegeta's SSJ energy he'd be a match for his weakened SSJ self.

As for #20... Piccolo actually wondered whether he was in fact as strong as they expected, so I'd say having him at pre androids saga Trunks and Goku's level shouldn't be too outrageous here... if he were considerably above Trunks, I would think Piccolo would entertain the thought of him being a real android, but the fact that he had to ponder such possibility imply he wasn't quite there imo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

You think Gohan was SSJ2 now? mg

Those are some minimalistic gaps that annoy me, but i can buy most of them. Perfect Cell's advantage over Vegeta being the same as Vegeta's advantage over Cell is trash though.

Why the hell the 17/18|Weighted Kamiccolo gap is the same as the Trunks/Freeza gap? Freeza sure doesn't rival Trunks.

Piccolo admited he doesn't stand a single chance against Cell, so he definitely doesn't rivals 50% Goku, let alone surpass him.

SSJ Gohan > Shin. Actually Base Gohan > Shin, but let's not make a big deal over it now...

 

[ahill1]

You think Gohan was SSJ2 now?

Well, it works better with my gap between Goku and Gohan at the CGs, whereas Dabura would have to be at least at the Perfect Cell who fought Goku if I were to side with SSJ1

Perfect Cell's advantage over Vegeta being the same as Vegeta's advantage over Cell is trash though.

I agree there, based on the way Vegeta tanked Cell (being considerably moved by his punch) compared with Perfect Cell barely moving from Vegeta's kick, I also agree the former's advantage over Vegeta should be more pronunciated than the disadvantage he had beforehand. I'd likely increase Semi Cell to 2,000 then (there in having a 83% gap disadvantage compared to his 75% gap advantage), but that seems kind of small considering #16 stated that not even after undergoing a significant power up, Cell is still not on Vegeta's level... although if Vegeta's pseudo power on Earth was considered a big deal to the point Goku was visibly frightened before Vegeta attacking him and considering Vegeta merely brought his power from ~16k to 18k, I'd say Cell going from 2M to 2.2M could be already be considered significant in #16's eyes... eh.

Why the hell the 17/18|Weighted Kamiccolo gap is the same as the Trunks/Freeza gap? Freeza sure doesn't rival Trunks.

Trunks is a Saiyajin warrior whereas Freeza stated he has never trained on his life

Besides, Vegeta was dominating Goku on Earth with such a power gap, so I think it'd justify Trunks' confident demeanor against Furiza.

SSJ Gohan > Shin. Actually Base Gohan > Shin, but let's not make a big deal over it now...

Shin was stated to be Cell Games FPSSJ Goku's equal in a Guidebook:

Translation: based on his cautious demeanor over Dabura, someone whose battle power is comparable to Cell's, we can conclude Kaioshin is on Cell Games Goku's level.

I was going off of that.

 

[SSJ2]

What guidebook is that?

 

[ahill1]

It's called "El Manga Legendario", which is made by the Bird Studio and is dedicated to the manga.

 

[SSJ2]

Cool.

 

[ahill1]

Right? Btw, I read it from a guy that said it was producced by Bird Studio... it might not be true (since he is the first one I see using this guidebook) but who knows.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I agree there, based on the way Vegeta tanked Cell (being considerably moved by his punch) compared with Perfect Cell barely moving from Vegeta's kick, I also agree the former's advantage over Vegeta should be more pronunciated than the disadvantage he had beforehand. I'd likely increase Semi Cell to 2,000 then (there in having a 83% gap disadvantage compared to his 75% gap advantage), but that seems kind of small considering #16 stated that not even after undergoing a significant power up, Cell is still not on Vegeta's level... although if Vegeta's pseudo power on Earth was considered a big deal to the point Goku was visibly frightened before Vegeta attacking him and considering Vegeta merely brought his power from ~16k to 18k, I'd say Cell going from 2M to 2.2M could be already be considered significant in #16's eyes... eh.

More like you should buff Cell on Vegeta IMO. Have Vegeta as 60% of Cell like you have with 16/Cell, it sounds better.

Trunks is a Saiyajin warrior whereas Freeza stated he has never trained on his life

Besides, Vegeta was dominating Goku on Earth with such a power gap, so I think it'd justify Trunks' confident demeanor against Freeza.

I'm more like arguing 17/18/Weighted Kamiccolo is too big rather than arguing Trunks/Freeza is small...

Vegeta never dominated Goku with this gap btw. All Goku did was dodge a blast.

Shin was stated to be Cell Games FPSSJ Goku's equal in a Guidebook:

Translation: based on his cautious demeanor over Dabura, someone whose battle power is comparable to Cell's, we can conclude Kaioshin is on Cell Games Goku's level.

I was going off of that.

I can read spanish. It's almost portuguese, after all

You should either have Gohan > CG Goku or ignore the guidebook then. SSJ Gohan is able to pull of the Z sword, a feat it's heavily implied Shin couldn't have done.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeh it appears to be legit.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38328

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

As legit as the V Jump issue that says Gogeta's BP is 2.5 billions.

 

[ahill1]

More like you should buff Cell on Vegeta IMO. Have Vegeta as 60% of Cell like you have with 16/Cell, it sounds better.

The true pain on the ass there would be Vegeta failing to completely tank #19 post and having been budged about the same as he was when attempting to tank Semi Perfect Cell's punch, which would imply Cell's gap over ssjg2 Vegeta is bigger than the one Vegeta had over #19, at least going by the tanking feat alone...

I would either have to increase #19 to, like, 80% of SSJ Vegeta's power (which would place him even above Piccolo) or assume that Vegeta was still kind of suppressed when receiving #19's punch... or increase Cell's gap over Vegeta to like 2x or so, but that doesn't fit the minimalist route I am going with nowadays.

I'm more like arguing 17/18/Weighted Kamiccolo is too big rather than arguing Trunks/Freeza is small...

Sure, I think I could increase #18 to, like, 750, there in having her at 93% of her brother.

You should either have Gohan > CG Goku or ignore the guidebook then. SSJ Gohan is able to pull of the Z sword, a feat it's heavily implied Shin couldn't have done.

Well, I am going with the SSJ2 route, am I not?

As for me translating that tibit, there're ppl here who don't understand Spanish (since it's not close to English at all), so translating the line I was talking about would still be called for here.

 

[SSJ2]

As legit as the V Jump issue that says Gogeta's BP is 2.5 billions.

Well yea, I don't disagree with that. I simply mean the content is not fake.

 

[ahill1]

I don't think it contradicts much, though.

 

[SSJ2]

Good for you.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo 4
Shin 6
Cell 10


Tell me if it doesn't look so goddamn smooth.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Swap Cell for Pocus and it's all perfect.

 

[ahill1]

Whaaaat, Piccolo less than half as strong as freaking Pocus, who was absolutely trashed by base Vegeta? No way, man!! You'd gotta have to place big green buddy at like #16's level for some blasphemy like this work.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I actually have Piccolo as 50% of Pocus but yeah, i nees to nerf Piccolo to levels of like #16. It's either that or do some insane bloating to have Piccolo ~ Semi Cell and the SSJ multiplier for the boys as like 200x.