Man Wolf vs. Roshi (21st)

[Six Trails]

Who wins?

 

[SSJ2]

What reason do we have to believe Man Wolf could challenge him?

 

[Six Trails]

He was confident in fighting Roshi at first, was he not? I believe anime filler has Man Wolf having a flash back of seeing Roshi first hand.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Jackie Chun still stomps. Man Wolf was just a revenge-obsessed dick so he didn't really care about Jackie's powers.

Even counting filler his best showing was breaking down a tree after punching and kicking at it for months.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Maybe he's anger blinded him and thought that he can beat Roshi?

 

[SSJ2]

He was confident in fighting Roshi at first, was he not? I believe anime filler has Man Wolf having a flash back of seeing Roshi first hand.

Filler?

Confidence should be looked at on a case by case situation. In this case, this guy was hellbent on getting revenge, and he even went as far as to pull out a weapon. I don't think he's too powerful, just strong enough to get to the finals.

 

[Zippy]

I find it really hard to believe manwolf is on namu's level. Let alone the point where he can beat roshi

 

[Emmeth]

Chapter: 119, P3.5-6
Context: Man-Wolf is angry with Jackie for blowing up the moon. Jackie is easily leading the match, however.
Man-Wolf: “Y-you--…!!â€￾
Jackie Chun: “Why don’t you quit before you get hurt? I feel bad for you, but our skill levels are just too different.â€￾
Man-Wolf: “Wh-what--!! Don’t patronize me!! I’ve got a 30-dan in kenpo!!â€￾
Jackie Chun: “Do tell.â€￾

Was it not for the highlighted comment, I wouldn't think twice about Man-Wolf being stronger than any incarnation of Roshi, but the fact that he was present at the 21st and witnessed Roshi's strength and practiced hard to get to that level and above, makes me think he's only slightly stronger. Maybe he thought he good win with pure power.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Man Wolf loses horribly. I don't see a reason to even place him above BoDB Goku.

 

[Animelover5487]

I don't see any reason to disregard Manwolf's confidence against Chun. How did he know Chun was the one who destroyed the moon anyway if he didn't watch Goku vs Chun? Jackie Chun being the one who destroyed it was never shown to be common knowledge, I mean one of the tournament spectators could have told him but I don't see any proof for that.

 

[Zippy]

I don't see any reason to disregard Manwolf's confidence against Chun. How did he know Chun was the one who destroyed the moon anyway if he didn't watch Goku vs Chun? Jackie Chun being the one who destroyed it was never shown to be common knowledge, I mean one of the tournament spectators could have told him but I don't see any proof for that.

People know goku won the 23rd while they were all absent, its news.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's also questionable as to whether or not Man Wolf can gauge powers accurately. I doubt it, though. He believed that a 30-Dan in Kenpo was extremely impressive, despite it only being triple that of the highest in most real world martial arts. That seems to suggest he'd be lucky to be viewed as superhuman by early DB standards.

 

[Animelover5487]

I don't see any reason to disregard Manwolf's confidence against Chun. How did he know Chun was the one who destroyed the moon anyway if he didn't watch Goku vs Chun? Jackie Chun being the one who destroyed it was never shown to be common knowledge, I mean one of the tournament spectators could have told him but I don't see any proof for that.

People know goku won the 23rd while they were all absent, its news.

Of course they knew Goku won the tournament. Everyone knows who the winner is going to be, im just saying it might not have been common knowledge that Chun was the one who destroyed the moon. I don't see any reason someone outside the tournament would know that, at least without being told so.

It's also questionable as to whether or not Man Wolf can gauge powers accurately. I doubt it, though. He believed that a 30-Dan in Kenpo was extremely impressive, despite it only being triple that of the highest in most real world martial arts. That seems to suggest he'd be lucky to be viewed as superhuman by early DB standards.

Maybe a 30-Dan is harder to achieve in the Dragonball verse. At that time their were quite a bit of superhuman like martial artists so we can assume the standards were higher than in say real life, or DBZ era with the incredibly low scale human tournament battles.

 

[Emmeth]

Given the context and how AT writes, I doubt Man-Wolf was thought to be weaker than BoDB. Who knows what AT meant by 30-dan, but it sure sounds impressive. Neigh, it sounds super-human.

Besides, if I remember correctly one of the characters noted how stiffer the competition was in the preliminaries and Man-Wolf reached the final 8.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Given the context and how AT writes, I doubt Man-Wolf was thought to be weaker than BoDB. Who knows what AT meant by 30-dan, but it sure sounds impressive. Neigh, it sounds super-human.

Besides, if I remember correctly one of the characters noted how stiffer the competition was in the preliminaries and Man-Wolf reached the final 8.

That's the 23rd Budokai... the level of competition in the 22nd Budokai was about the same as it was for the 21st Budokai minus the stupid gimmick fighters like Bacterian or Ranfan.

Man Wolf is definitely far above average but calling him superhuman is quite a stretch especially when he has no feats to suggest he's that high. For all we know, Pamput is stronger than he is.

 

[Emmeth]

Meh, I call plot on this one. It goes against progression for him to be a lot weaker than the top fighters of the 21st TB. Writing suggests so.

 

[Animelover5487]

Given the context and how AT writes, I doubt Man-Wolf was thought to be weaker than BoDB. Who knows what AT meant by 30-dan, but it sure sounds impressive. Neigh, it sounds super-human.

Besides, if I remember correctly one of the characters noted how stiffer the competition was in the preliminaries and Man-Wolf reached the final 8.

That's the 23rd Budokai... the level of competition in the 22nd Budokai was about the same as it was for the 21st Budokai minus the stupid gimmick fighters like Bacterian or Ranfan.

Man Wolf is definitely far above average but calling him superhuman is quite a stretch especially when he has no feats to suggest he's that high. For all we know, Pamput is stronger than he is.

Pamput is stronger than 21st Goku......

 

[Zippy]

I don't see any reason to disregard Manwolf's confidence against Chun. How did he know Chun was the one who destroyed the moon anyway if he didn't watch Goku vs Chun? Jackie Chun being the one who destroyed it was never shown to be common knowledge, I mean one of the tournament spectators could have told him but I don't see any proof for that.

People know goku won the 23rd while they were all absent, its news.

Of course they knew Goku won the tournament. Everyone knows who the winner is going to be, im just saying it might not have been common knowledge that Chun was the one who destroyed the moon. I don't see any reason someone outside the tournament would know that, at least without being told so.

It's also questionable as to whether or not Man Wolf can gauge powers accurately. I doubt it, though. He believed that a 30-Dan in Kenpo was extremely impressive, despite it only being triple that of the highest in most real world martial arts. That seems to suggest he'd be lucky to be viewed as superhuman by early DB standards.

Maybe a 30-Dan is harder to achieve in the Dragonball verse. At that time their were quite a bit of superhuman like martial artists so we can assume the standards were higher than in say real life, or DBZ era with the incredibly low scale human tournament battles.

Im sure the moon being destroyed is more of a topic then who won a tournament at least as important. It shouldnt be that much of a shocker for people to know. There isnt going to be pieces of proof for everything . But i cant see a scene playing out without people wanting to know how the moon was destroyed.

 

[Clearin]

Man-wolf thought he could beat someone up who destroyed the moon. Dude's a badass.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Given the context and how AT writes, I doubt Man-Wolf was thought to be weaker than BoDB. Who knows what AT meant by 30-dan, but it sure sounds impressive. Neigh, it sounds super-human.

Besides, if I remember correctly one of the characters noted how stiffer the competition was in the preliminaries and Man-Wolf reached the final 8.

That's the 23rd Budokai... the level of competition in the 22nd Budokai was about the same as it was for the 21st Budokai minus the stupid gimmick fighters like Bacterian or Ranfan.

Man Wolf is definitely far above average but calling him superhuman is quite a stretch especially when he has no feats to suggest he's that high. For all we know, Pamput is stronger than he is.

Pamput is stronger than 21st Goku......

Whatever you say, pal...