Manga/Anime Tier-List

[Fantastische Hure]

i saw this jst recently i think, sort-of a similar thread to this i think. japanese forum i think.

http://jumpsokuhou.com/archives/53291401.html

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] : this website, can u see that? if u can & want to:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190302210302/http://www.geocities.jp/wj_log/rank/rank0.html

that has sources for sales (japan i think), even before series finished & all i think even for old series like dragonball. including citing sources i think. there is even a top 3 best-seller list from 1980 to 1996 (circulation i assume) from a book called "70-year history of shueisha" from 1997 released by shueisha i think.

naruto is tier 0 on ur list but on this vid. i think, naruto is 2 tiers below dragonball & a tier below one-piece in recognizability i think. wot do u think abt that, if u can & want to say?

Spoiler

[youtube]hYslSNlsIUg[/youtube]

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Determining popularity of a series is overall a difficult task, so not everybody will come to the same conclusion. Some may rank Naruto's popularity a tier below OP and Dragon Ball if focusing on sales as the main factor or if limiting it to Japan. When factoring in the overseas audience, however, I'd say Naruto gains a decent boost in popularity as its marketing and fanbase has made it more recognisable to both regular anime/manga viewers and those unfamiliar with the medium compared to One Piece (at least judging from the English-speaking world).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

i think that's interesting that hunter x hunter seems on-par with naruto in-terms of sales in japan, but maybe hxh having less games makes that seem less popular

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The fact that Togashi takes years just to release a new chapter as opposed to wrapping up what he wants to doesn't help either.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

ye, eiichiro oda rly is better i think

where'd u rank sword-art-online, great teacher onizuka, dragon-quest dai no dai-bouken & magic-kaitou 1412, if i can ask?

 

[Papasmurf]

The cashgrab sequels of GTO still sell pretty good, and it's been adapted into an anime and several TV drama series, so it should be around tier 3 or so at least.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

does that sell well, if u can & want to answer (the sequel i mean)? i looked-up some 1st week sales & that doesn't seem so high.

 

[Papasmurf]

They sell enough to keep Fujisawa in his big ass mansion in Tokyo :elmo

 

[Fantastische Hure]

maybe that's original manga & royalties

 

[Papasmurf]

He wouldn't need to create soulless cash-grabs if he were making enough money off the original 2

 

[Fantastische Hure]

do u think youkai watch'd rank, if u can & want to say? as a franchise the series did well in 2014 or something i think, even over-taking pokemon at the time but now is kind-of irrelevant i think. was the anime/manga ever a big hit, if u can & want to say? i know the 1st movie performed very good i think i think.

 

[Papasmurf]

I never watched Yokai Watch and don't really hear it being talked about much these days, so it'd be in the pretty low tier as far as I can tell.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

here's some-thing i think from 2014 (its peak year):

movie 1 (2014) - highest-grossing domestic movie of 2015 7.8 billion yen

seems to have consistently ranked in the top tv anime-ratings (above pokemon for sure i think)

dvds seemed to have sold well i think. 1st week for the 1st box-set was around: 26,645.

not rly related i think but that does sort-of add to recognizability, the game released in 2014 sold about 1,281,096 in 1st week apparently

& the manga-series was apparently 20th best-selling that year, i think. i think that might be an achievement, considering that wasn't published in i think i think 1 of the magazines like wsj or others.

yo-kai watch seemed huge in 2014

 

[Captain Cadaver]

where'd u rank sword-art-online, great teacher onizuka, dragon-quest dai no dai-bouken & magic-kaitou 1412, if i can ask?

Sword Art Online is very popular both in Japan and overseas for being what many look at as the template of the "trapped in a video game" isekai in anime (even if .hack//Sign did it prior and did it far better). It's probably in a similar status to Bleach in that it's popular, but has waned significantly with what fans there still are of the anime recognising its flaws and losing interest with each new season, so probably no higher than Tier 2.

GTO is well renowned and all its spinoffs sell well, though it doesn't garner the same popularity and representation in Japan and overseas compared to franchises with similar manga sales. Probably around the lower end of Tier 3.

Even though Dai no Daibouken sold well and was popular at the time, it isn't remembered that well by Dragon Quest fans compared to the games, the only overseas place it has a strong following is Latin America and the most representation it got outside its anime/manga was Dai's appearance in Jump Force. The anime remake would've boosted popularity somewhat, but not enough for it to overshadow the generic seasonal anime that were airing alongside it. Definitely Tier 4 at most.

It's easier to tie Magic Kaito 1412 into Conan as it's very much a spinoff that not many fans view as standing out as an entirely separate entity to the franchise, so vicariously Tier 0. If separating it as its own thing, Conan's stature completely overshadows any traction for the spinoff, so not even Tier 4.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

this thread is all based on japan i think so ye i think

magic-kaitō 1412 actually started before detective-conan i think, then was on hiatus i think. the 2nd anime i thought was better than detective-conan too i think (at-least modern detective-conan) when i watched last year i think

dai no dai-bōken is said to have at-least 47 million in japan i think, isn't that on its own enough to maybe be a tier above? i don't knw abt how recognizable that is tho in japan & how well merchandise for series sold i think

also sry to be annoying but wot abt do-re-mi & pre-cure, if u can & want to answer?

also maybe ring ni kakero if u can & want to answer?

 

[SSJ2]

All worse than Super.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

also that seems that according to the tweet, pokemon-special manga had "only" abt 12,000,000 by sept. 2014 (51 volumes at the time) i think. i'm not sure if that's domestic or world-wide tho.

https://twitter.com/satoshi_swalot/status/512238686088347648

that seems that 150,000,000 (world-wide) was an error too i think. that seems that world-wide was abt 30,000,000 (by dec. 2017) i think.

https://twitter.com/satoshi_swalot/status/943526186906394624

https://twitter.com/satoshi_swalot/status/943494758491492357

 

[Warmmedown]

TIER DOS/DO/DEUX/DOIS/DUE/IRANDU/DU/NI/ÈR/YIH
Cardcaptor Sakura
Fruits Basket
Nana
GTO/Great Teacher Onizuka

TIER T FOR TURBO
Initial D
Wangan Midnight

 

[Captain Cadaver]

magic-kaitō 1412 actually started before detective-conan i think, then was on hiatus i think. the 2nd anime i thought was better than detective-conan too i think (at-least modern detective-conan) when i watched last year i think

It did, though Kaito has since become intrinsically tied to Conan, and as more than just a once in a blue moon cameo like Arale is to DB. It was also far from groundbreaking in its genre when thief adventure series had already been a staple of manga by that point and its popularity has constantly dwindled the more its mangaka focuses on Conan.

dai no dai-bōken is said to have at-least 47 million in japan i think, isn't that on its own enough to maybe be a tier above? i don't knw abt how recognizable that is tho in japan & how well merchandise for series sold i think

It had good sales at its time, but that's about it. Merchandising for the series outside its manga has been fairly limited and its legacy is pretty weak compared to other entries of the Dragon Quest franchise.

also sry to be annoying but wot abt do-re-mi & pre-cure, if u can & want to answer?

Do-Re-Mi I'm only vaguely familiar with as having some fringe popularity, but nothing to make it stand out compared to the following and legacy of many other Mahou Shoujo. Precure, on the other hand, is immensely popular in Japan and is a very consistent cash cow, to the point it's at bare minimum Tier 1.

also maybe ring ni kakero if u can & want to answer?

Ring Ni Kakero had a fairly strong popularity when it was published and has some legacy factor in being arguably the first battle Shonen, but that's about it. Its popularity got quickly overshadowed as far as Battle Shonen went when Kinnikuman became popular and what relevance it had fully dissipated went away when Kurumada started work on Saint Seiya. It also never had the same cultural aspect of its main inspiration (Ashita no Joe) and the fact its anime didn't get a full adaption and had unfavourable popularity says a lot. It probably doesn't even scratch being on Tier 4.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

when ring ni kakero ended i think that was the 1st full-colour ending in weekly-shonen-jump i think & since then there's only been dragon-ball & slam-dunk & naruto & kochikame i think. slam-dunk & kochikame were the only 1s that got cover as-well i think. also when ring ni kakero happened i think animating wsj series wasn't like that is now i think, i think that only happened after dr. slump was animated & seeing how popular that was. when the anime did air i think that might have been too late i think.

there are detective-conan movies focused on kaitou-kid, like movie 3 i think.

do-re-mi in 2003 was toei's 2nd-highest performing series by quite a-bit i think i think so maybe that could show to the popularity

could kindaichi-case files be popular (if any1 can & wants to answer)? i heard that's quite popular or was popular in past.