Manga Black Arc Vs Anime Black Arc

Which one is better

  • Manga Black Arc

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Anime Black Arc

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • Total voters
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Since both story were executed differently and now we came into a conclusion of both versions. Which one did better?

Post your pros and cons of both versions then.
 

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About the same but I preferred the anime since it didn't take a fucking year to finish
 

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Manga - less bullshit until after Vegetto's diffusion, somewhat contains more tension although it was completely dismantled once Goku began his marysuing ways

Anime - Better characterization, more exciting fights (manga fights are basically all trash), more of an impactful ending with Gohan's inclusion in the finale instead of that Pilaf BS
 

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Manga:

Pros:

1. We've got to see SSjin Black.
2. Some great informations like Zamasu unable to emerge from fusion and the Potara stuffs.
3. More reason why Black needs Zamasu.
4. SSjinB Vegito being officially said to be stronger than Beerus (the ceiling that we've been waiting for to be shatter by mortals.)
5. No Jedi Trunks.
6. Vegeta learning that Future Bulma really wanted to meet him again but was killed by Black first.
7. Merged Zamasu destroying Goku and Vegeta with ease which was the right thing to do.

Cons:
1. Less character development for Zamasu/Black.
2. SSjinGay Vegeta because of that terrible artwork of Toyotaro.
3. Inconsistent stuff like SSjin2 Vegeta manhandling SSjin Black.
4. Zamasu's death felt so lame.

Anime:

Pros:
1. Great character development of Zamasu's character and Black.
2. Black stabbing Vegeta, killing Goten and Chi Chi. :alex2
3. Awesome fights in all of their 3 encounters
4. Black and Zamasu blaming Trunks as being responsible of this mess which is true BTW.
5. SSjinRage Trunks was awesome as hell with his Broly's little mannerism.
6. The partnership between Black and Future Zamasu. :gay2 :gay
7. Trunks playing a huge role in this arc.
8. Zeno killing Universal Zamasu.
9. SSjinB Vegito Vs Merged Zamasu.
10. KK Goku Vs Merged Zamasu (despite how ridiculous was that but the drama was there which is the most important thing in the entertainment.)
11. The Father-Son Galick Gun stuff was awesome!
12. Merged Zamasu's anger towards the mortal being visible was intense!

Cons:
1. Black constantly powers up by getting beaten up.
2. Trunks with that spirit bomb.
3. The fight between Merged Zamasu Vs Vegeta, Goku and Trunks with that ridiculous gap.
4. Merged Zamasu and SSjinB Vegito still weaker than Beerus is bullshit.
5. The Mafuba stuff.
 

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The anime is sadly way more entertaining at this point.
 

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Manga
Pros

- Less/more believable PIS after Vegetto.
- Goku actually getting some kind of power up via better control of his form, rather than just resolve.
- Merged Zamasu actually having previously used moves that offer him utility such as dimensional distortion, rather than just new ones that're little more than flashy, repetitive Ki blasts like that halo move.
- Zamasu is far more competent in his Zero Mortals plan.
- Better depiction of Trunks battle against Future Dabura.
- Super Saiyan Blue having some clear drawbacks to make SSG more relevant.

Cons

- Goku asspulling Hakai.
- SSB being easy to master in retrospect.
- SS2 Vegeta > SS3 Goku only making sense if assuming the status quo of MY BULMA Vegeta being maintained, therefor meaning the audience has to assume too much.

Anime
Pros

- Most fight scenes are less of a copy-paste of nostalgia driven ones.
- It took less time to finish when in production.
- Trunks manages to become the hero the Future deserves.
- More character driven

Cons

- The asspulls later on, such as Goku becoming 2-10x stronger through resolve and anything after Merged Zamasu appears are far worse in terms of consistency, to the point it felt like I was watching a typical Bleach Arc, especially when we have characters practically pulling out their Bankais (Black doing that cloning shit and Zamasu's useless halo thing).
- Far less interesting/meaningful power ups.
- The entire Goku VS Present Zamasu fight is nonsensical. Gowasu wants to show Zamasu not all mortals are violent by having him face a battle-hungry mortal? That's completely contradictive of the point Gowasu wanted to make. Why couldn't he just read his mind and see Goku's mostly a decent mortal?

Both
Pros

- A more serious arc than the previous Super Arcs.
- Future Trunks' return to the series seemed somewhat unavoidable at some point, so that was welcome.
- Made Future Trunks far more relevant than he was in the Cell Arc, where he was just there to infodump and get stomped.

Cons

- The time travel rules becoming convoluted makes far more nonsensical paradoxes than in DBZ.
- Black gaining Zenkais with Post-U6 Arc Goku's body when Goku and Vegeta have stopped getting Zenkais makes no sense.
- Asspull power ups are rampant.
- Characters never take the smart option, such as Goku and Vegeta not remembering about Potara until later on, or Goku not immediately pressing the Zen-Oh button once they diffused.
- Ending is basically a time reset.

Both are bottom tier arcs due to abusing some of the worst tropes, though I prefer the manga due to at least being more consistent with it's logic. The anime has better characterisation, though not to the point I'm willing to say it was good or that it makes up for an even more idiotic plot.
 

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Anime was less confusing when it came to PL, considering we didn't have the SSJ2 Vegeta dominating
SSJ (debatably SSJ2) Black Goku part.
I hoped in the manga we'd get a better ending than Zeno Assama punishing a whole universe with erasure
just for what Zamasu did, but i hoped too much.
 

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I can't believe anyone can say the anime is better than the manga, it's simply too much for me to handle.

Firstly, the manga of DBS adheres to the rules of the DB manga. Everything that happens in the DBS manga can be explained within the logic of the original manga, while the DBS anime is just bullshit at its finest.

Pros for the anime:
Hey I like transformations a lot and wow Trunks had his new form SSJ Rage and then wow Goku and Vegeta also had their rage boosts and I like that a lot mom and dad I want figurines of DB characters yeah!

Pros for the manga:

Plot-wise:
1. It broke the time paradox of Zamatsu doing what he did because of his fight with Goku when Goku only went to see Zamatsu because of the ring Black had in his hand. In DB timelines doesn't work like that, and they neither do in the anime.
2. It's actually explained why Black has zenkay powers while Goku and Vegeta don't.
3. It's actually explained why Black reaches his SSJ Rose without any ritual.
4. Trunks becoming Kaiohshin's disciple was relevant for the story.
5. Got deep in the time travel mechanics of the series, and I loved that.

Character-wise:
1. In terms of personalities, they were the characters I remember from the original series. Goku wasn't retarded like in the anime and he actually made very good points, Trunks wasn't the crybaby he had become in the anime but resembled his future z-self much more.
2. Speaking of retardeds, Black & Zamasu weren't retarded in the manga. In the anime humanity could hide in the fucking subway and escape Black like nothing. In the Manga this doesn't happen, in fact, both Black & Zamasu are perfectly believable characters with their own agenda, and it's even explained why could Trunks survive them that much time.
3. Trunks stayed at his SSJ2 form the whole saga and despite that he stood relevant. He was crucial in the fight, helping save Goku and Vegeta thanks to his surprise attacks, and then healing Goku thanks to his acquired powers from when he became a disciple of the KaiohShin.
4. KaiohShin had a very respectable role in this saga, in fact, I think this may be the best saga when it comes to secondary characters influencing a fight in a plausible way from the whole DB manga, only matched by the fight against Vegeta in the earth (which is one of my favourites, by the way).
5. SSJGod Vegeta. I loved it. Firstly because it puts an end to that bullshit from the anime where the SSJB was a form that could be obtained through training, secondly because despite being far below blue in power, it had its moments to shine and be practical in a fight against a stronger foe.

Power-scale:
1. Coherent with the internal rules of the series.
2. The SSJB was actually a relevant form. Yes, the SSJB being a joke in the anime is something that's not only because of the Goku Black saga, but seeing SSJ2 Trunks performing better against Zamatsu and Black than SSJB Goku helped to make this form even trashier than it already was. On the other hand, this form is the upgrade it should have been.
3. As a result of the above, we saw multiple ways to counter the SSJB weaknesses. Vegeta managing to adapt to the SSJB transformation, Goku managing to contain all the SSJB within his body. Of course Goku's way was the best (it's DB and Goku is the protagonist after all), but it at least gave Vegeta a nice moment to shine that was coherent with the series instead of the typical "my power magically increased a lot even when it doesn't make any sense plotwise".
4. In fact, even the SSJGod form was still relevant and very important, which I love. Firstly Goku used it to completely overpower future Trunks, then Vegeta used it in his fight against Rose proving his utility and Goku also used it to completely overpower immortal Zamatsu. Very well done all in all.
5. Because the manga followed the internal rules of the series, the fights were actually interesting. Yes, I understand that some people love seeing new transformations and by the face power-ups, but if you like that you better read Fairy Tail or One Piece and leave Dragon Ball alone, because when every scene or relevant fight gets solved by a by the face power-up then the fights become uninteresting. Why should I care about the outcome of a fight if I already know the author will do whatever he wants without having any respect with what's established before?
In the manga only Gohan had those kind of treatment, and besides it being done much better than in the anime -only 1 rage boost per fight, only when it was justified and with limitations not seen in the DBS anime- it wasn't abused as much as it was in the anime version of this black saga.
6. Why do I have to care if Goku got stabbed if in the next scene he will act as if nothing happened (or even getting stronger) at the scream of "you monsters killed chi-chi!". And since when is Goku such a retarded that can't even understand his family was killed after his body was robbed unless Black explains it to him? Yes, I know this isn't a new point, but the anime was so atrocious -every single episode had at least various by the face power ups and a bunch of contradictions- I had to say it twice.

All in all, while the anime managed for me to stop watching DBS for some episodes because of how tired I got of seeing constant ass-pulls here and there and was by far the worst saga of DB to me, the Goku Black saga in the DBS manga is one of my favourite manga sagas of DB for what it is.
I put it even above the Bu saga of the original manga, which was already above the 23rd budokay saga. In other words, a worthy saga for the series and the proof that this team of Toriyama + Toyotaro can do good, really good things.

PS: Why would Goku using the hakay be something negative? The hakay is something possible thanks to the godly ki, and Goku's god forms of course have god ki. How can this even be considered an "asspull", and how can someone say this was an asspull and at the same time defend the anime constant ass-pulls? I seriously can't understand that at all.
 
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