Math Proves Gohan is a SSJ2?

[p123]

Everyone likes to have this debate of whether Gohan was a Super Saiyan or a Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura. Using math, I will attempt to debunk Gohan being a Super Saiyan. (Buh mah art!) I know, I know. But math > art!

Assuming damage energy and energy taken for Buu's meter is a direction 1-1 relation with the user's ki we can make some assertions.


Super Saiyan 2 Gohan ~ 50% Buu's Meter

Yamu and Spopovich steal Gohan's full power as a Super Saiyan 2 (not his fully enraged power) and it is used to fill up Buu's meter to nearly half.

Gohan fights Dabura and although we do not see the entirety of the fight, it seems a mostly defensive battle, with neither side being damaged all that much.

We see after this fight, Gohan's damage has contributed to the Buu meter about 5%.

So from here we can conclude that the hardly damaged Gohan's damage energy that he lost is 10% of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's full power. Now on to da maths...

Let's assume Gohan was a Super Saiyan and that Super Saiyan 2 is a 2x boost.

Buu's Meter 100
SSJ2 Gohan 50
SSJ Gohan 25
SSJ Gohan Damage 5

This would mean, the damage Gohan sustained would be 20% of his total power as a Super Saiyan. So the inverse would mean that Gohan after fighting Dabura would be at 80% of his health. Although this is not unreasonable, I do not think Gohan is damaged enough to warrant this kind of drop in power.


Ok, let's look at Gohan as a Super Saiyan 2 now...

Buu's Meter 100
SSJ2 Gohan 50
SSJ2 Gohan Damage 5

So Gohan's damage is 10% of Gohan's full power. That would mean after the fight Gohan is 90% of his power. This seems more realistic to me.

Hmm, for some reason I thought this would be more conclusive than I thought. I mixed up some of the math previously. All in all I think it's still a win for the Super Saiyan 2 side. Just look at Gohan after his fight with Dabura, should he be at 80% health or 90% health. I think 90% is definitely the more reasonable option.

 

[SSJ2]

Idk, from recollection he was pretty low on energy. Would being at 90% really prompt Goku to give him a senzu bean and comment on how much stamina he lost? I almost feel the 80 is more reasonable.

 

[p123]

It might be...

Gohan talks about Gohan losing stamina, not that he was damaged. Losing stamina also seems to be better suited for a Super Saiyan 2 than a Super Saiyan considering the Mastered state of Super Saiyan is supposed to allow for the form to consume less power.

I'd think if Gohan was only at 80%, he wouldn't even be able to consider fighting Dabura at all.

 

[p123]

It might be...

Gohan talks about Gohan losing stamina, not that he was damaged. Losing stamina also seems to be better suited for a Super Saiyan 2 than a Super Saiyan considering the Mastered state of Super Saiyan is supposed to allow for the form to consume less power.

I'd think if Gohan was only at 80%, he wouldn't even be able to consider fighting Dabura at all.

 

[p123]

Ah, I didn't get my intended result, but there is a silver lining. I've effectively proven that you cannot be BOTH a Gohan was a Super Saiyan AND Super Saiyan 2 is a 4x boost.

That would be a mathematical impossibility for sure.

Buu's Meter 100
SSJ2 Gohan 50
SSJ Gohan 12.5
Gohan Damage 5

Gohan's damage would then be 40% of Gohan vs Dabura, which would mean Gohan is only at 60% of his power at the end of the fight. Which we can all agree on doesn't make sense.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think he was SSjin2. Vegeta keeps comparing Gohan (during the fight against Dabura) to Kid Gohan and we all know which version was that aka SS2 Kid Gohan.

 

[BlazeDVH]

I believe Gohan was at SSJ2, daizenshuu states that also.

 

[BlazeDVH]

I believe Gohan was at SSJ2, daizenshuu states that also.

 

[p123]

Yeah, I agree. It's clear the narrative is pushing for Gohan to be a Super Saiyan 2.

1) Dabura is compared to Cell

2) No one tells Gohan to just transform after he starts losing to Gohan

3) Gohan's "true" power is clearly about his enraged power. Becoming a mere SSJ2 would never allow him to attain levels close to what he did against Cell.


This is just a nice way to disprove those who feel Gohan is a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 is a 4x boost. This will further force them to pick a side. So, it's still worthwhile. Can't wait to rub that in their faces!

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I believe Gohan was at SSJ2, daizenshuu states that also.

Daizenshuu also said that Gohan was SS as well. Not that I agree with that it's just that they're not that reliable for this topic.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Gohan was SSJ1.5 I have long confirmed this.

 

[p123]

How big is the boost for SSJ2 Withheld?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

How big is the boost for SSJ2 Withheld?

2.5x-3x

 

[ahill1]

Have we seen the metter when Babidi said it's filled up to "almost half"?

 

[p123]

Yep. You see it after Gohan's energy fills it up from the Budokai and then again after his fight with Dabura.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Assuming damage energy and energy taken for Buu's meter is a direction 1-1 relation with the user's ki we can make some assertions.

When you have to rely on assumptions to reach a conclusion, it hardly can be considered proof.

And i doubt Gohan lost 10% of power. Babidi straight up complains Dabra was doing jack to Gohan, and Gohan flies back to the fight with zero damage. The sword struggle probably wasted him more than that.

 

[p123]

That blast looked pretty powerful. When the math is correctly worked out, I think it ends up being something like 7-8%. I think that is pretty reasonable. Damage energy and stamina are two different things. The blast seems to be the only damage we saw, losing 6-7% of his ki like that seems fair considering he did take some real damage.

 

[Victorious]

How much does the Buu meter go up post Dabura fight?

 

[p123]

By about 4%. Vic, I don't think you can think Gohan is a Super Saiyan and have Super Saiyan 2 as a 4x boost.

 

[ahill1]

What if the meter was 49% before and 51% afterwards?