Mention the most powerful and least powerful character that can belong in each category.

[Captain Cadaver]

1. Saying that Baba Saga Goku needed to train more to surpass him makes zero sense if he was referring to his non buffed state. That's why I treat that statement as good evidence about where to place Buffed Roshi.

It was never in the context of surpassing Roshi though, only that there were still stronger people out there and Goku could no longer learn anything else from him.

2. I treat Kikoho as an extremely precise attack that channels its power vertically. So, depending on the depth of the crater, it can be a feat much greater than just wiping out a few square meters of land.

What you treat it as is irrelevant unless you can prove it's indeed more powerful then the Kamehameha that destroyed Mount Fry Pan. We're not discussing what the physics of the Kikoho are, but its power.

3. Considering Jaco has his own series, I think he's not consistent with Dragonball rules (like Arale).

Jaco's series was designed as a Dragon Ball prequel and operates by the same in-universe logic, especially when interacting with other characters in Super. There's no reason to believe it's laws are inconsistent with DB at all.

 

[GSM123]

This thing is hella inconsistent. I dunno what to do here.

1) Yamcha and Goku casually throw each other through pillars in BoS, but Guilan (Who could take hits from tailess Goku better than 21st Yamcha could take from Yamcha);

2) Master Roshi blows up a mountain and the moon, but regards the city block Kikoho as stronger than him and is far weaker than Daimao, who's at his peak is only city tier;

3) Several characters make a big deal out of planet busting in Namek Arc despite this being a Saiyan Arc level feat;

4) SSJG Goku is at least 50% Macroversal (As his fight with Beerus was a threat to the whole universe, not only the mortal realm), but SSJ2 Kefla makes a big deal outta being able to destroying a universe.

Etc...

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1) Yamcha and Goku casually throw each other through pillars in BoS, but Guilan (Who could take hits from tailess Goku better than 21st Yamcha could take from Yamcha);

If wanting to make things consistent, you could assume the pillars weren't as dense as they seemed. Either that, or ignore the feats of this arc in relation to later ones as it has a lot of feats later inconsistent with the series' laws, such as Goku literally breaking the fourth wall in his fight with Yamcha.

2) Master Roshi blows up a mountain and the moon, but regards the city block Kikoho as stronger than him and is far weaker than Daimao, who's at his peak is only city tier;

As I mentioned before, Kikoho being vastly stronger than the Kamehameha =/= Tenshithands' Kikoho being stronger than Roshi's Kamehameha.
Also, it can be assumed the DB moon is far less dense than our's due to reasons I already mentioned on this page.

3) Several characters make a big deal out of planet busting in Namek Arc despite this being a Saiyan Arc level feat;

Well, they still didn't graduate into Star level fully by the end, so why wouldn't they?

4) SSJG Goku is at least 50% Macroversal (As his fight with Beerus was a threat to the whole universe, not only the mortal realm), but SSJ2 Kefla makes a big deal outta being able to destroying a universe.

Only really an inconsistency for the anime, as if there wasn't 10 every episode of the ToP.

 

[GSM123]

]If wanting to make things consistent, you could assume the pillars weren't as dense as they seemed. Either that, or ignore the feats of this arc in relation to later ones as it has a lot of feats later inconsistent with the series' laws, such as Goku literally breaking the fourth wall in his fight with Yamcha.

If we are ignoring these feats, then they're still a consistense nonetheless.

Though assuming those pillars aren't as dense makes sense. Those were some old af pillars in the middle of nowhere.

As I mentioned before, Kikoho being vastly stronger than the Kamehameha =/= Tenshithands' Kikoho being stronger than Roshi's Kamehameha.
Also, it can be assumed the DB moon is far less dense than our's due to reasons I already mentioned on this page.

I doubt very much that Roshi wouldn't include himself in the statement, unless he's talking about the power amp. Though the argument for DB Moon < RL Moon makes sense.

3) Several characters make a big deal out of planet busting in Namek Arc despite this being a Saiyan Arc level feat;

Well, they still didn't graduate into Star level fully by the end, so why wouldn't they?[/quote]

Kuririn is blown away by Recoome opening a big hole (A Raditz level tier) and Piccolo mentions how Goku and Freeza can easily destroy the planet when talking about how superior they are to him. It's not a "He can blow up the earth, something i need FP to do" kind of thing, it's more like a "He can blow up the earth, something i absolutely cannot do" thing.

Only really an inconsistency for the anime, as if there wasn't 10 every episode of the ToP.

:toei

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I doubt very much that Roshi wouldn't include himself in the statement, unless he's talking about the power amp.

He wasn't really talking about himself though, just saying Kikoho >>> Kamehameha in general.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. It was never in the context of surpassing Roshi though, only that there were still stronger people out there and Goku could no longer learn anything else from him.

2. What you treat it as is irrelevant unless you can prove it's indeed more powerful then the Kamehameha that destroyed Mount Fry Pan. We're not discussing what the physics of the Kikoho are, but its power.

3. Jaco's series was designed as a Dragon Ball prequel and operates by the same in-universe logic, especially when interacting with other characters in Super. There's no reason to believe it's laws are inconsistent with DB at all.

1. Roshi (Baba Saga): 'But, Goku, if you become stronger, what will happen to my position?'

2. So, to you, opening a 10 square meter wide crater whose depth is in the kilometers' range is a smaller feat than opening a 20
square meter wide but shallow crater?

3. I think AT treats Jaco manga essentially as a different series.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1. Roshi (Baba Saga): 'But, Goku, if you become stronger, what will happen to my position?'

He's speaking in terms of a teacher, as he'd no longer have anything to teach him. It would hardly make sense for his context to be the power of a form he never uses for actual combat.

2. So, to you, opening a 10 square meter wide crater whose depth is in the kilometers' range is a smaller feat than opening a 20
square meter wide but shallow crater?

http://web.archive.org/web/20160504150011/http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/scaling-attempt-12-tiens-ki-ko-ho-dragonball.14913/
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/Master_Roshi_destroys_Mount_Frypan

3. I think AT treats Jaco manga essentially as a different series.

He clearly doesn't though when he makes such an effort to tie them together, rather than just treating Jaco as a crossover cameo like with Arale.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. He's speaking in terms of a teacher, as he'd no longer have anything to teach him. It would hardly make sense for his context to be the power of a form he never uses for actual combat.

2. http://web.archive.org/web/20160504150011/http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/scaling-attempt-12-tiens-ki-ko-ho-dragonball.14913/
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/Master_Roshi_destroys_Mount_Frypan

1. I'm pretty sure he was talking about his position as the top dog, since he had already come to terms with the
fact that there was nothing more to teach Goku.

2. I don't do nerd, sweetie.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1. I'm pretty sure he was talking about his position as the top dog, since he had already come to terms with thefact that there was nothing more to teach Goku.

He'd already stated Goku was stronger than him, so offering the same context

2. I don't do nerd, sweetie.

> Enforces the supposed "logic" in battle powers.
> Asks for feat comparison.
> Doesn't care about calculations with far more of a solid standing than battle power gaps.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. He'd already stated Goku was stronger than him, so offering the same context

2. > Enforces the supposed "logic" in battle powers.
> Asks for feat comparison.
> Doesn't care about calculations with far more of a solid standing than battle power gaps.

1. He had stated: 'He might be stronger than me. Even I don't think I'd have the stamina to
take the whole RRA down'. When he sees Goku fighting, his suspicions are confirmed.

2. I just don't feel like reading those walls of text. Tell me, in a few words, what those
calculations prove.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1. He had stated: 'He might be stronger than me. Even I don't think I'd have the stamina totake the whole RRA down'. When he sees Goku fighting, his suspicions are confirmed.

Which only shows how his buff state isn't meant for actual combat.

2. I just don't feel like reading those walls of text. Tell me, in a few words, what those
calculations prove.

Tenshithands' Kikoho = City Block to Multi-City Block level
Roshi's Kamehameha = Small City level

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. Which only shows how his buff state isn't meant for actual combat.

2. Tenshithands' Kikoho = City Block to Multi-City Block level
Roshi's Kamehameha = Small City level

1. To me, it shows Baba Goku>=Buffed Roshi.

2. Okay, I did you the favor and had a look. The crater's depth number came out of the ass of whoever wrote that thread.
It proves nothing.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1. To me, it shows Baba Goku>=Buffed Roshi.

That can be your interpretation, but it's not a 100% fact, and the feats say otherwise.

2. Okay, I did you the favor and had a look. The crater's depth number came out of the ass of whoever wrote that thread. It proves nothing.

Pixel measurements >>> You saying "The Kikoho feat was better because I say so".

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Pixel measurements proved the crater's width, not depth.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

And any attempts at judging its depth are pure speculation backed up by nothing.