Movie 10 Scalling

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Based on feats and their performance:

Goten = 240
SSj = 12,000

Trunks = 250
SSj = 12,500

Gohan = 400
SSj = 20,000
SSj2 = 60,000

SSj Broly = 25,000
LSSj Broly = 80,000

First of all, let's clarify that I'm not nerfing Broly. But the date of release of this movie was March 12, 1994. Which last episode was 220.

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Also Vegeta not being there makes me believe that there is a good reason as to why Vegeta wasn't included and I believe that it is because Vegeta + Gohan would have been able to defeat Broly without Gohan having to rely on the lava.

Taking this into reference:

Vegeta = 500
SSj = 25,000
SSj2 = 75,000

Broly is just slightly superior to Vegeta by an slight amount, both as SSjs are basically equals which puts SSj Broly (and by extension LSSj Broly M8) weaker than the likes of Base Bojack, SSj Kid Gohan and Suppressed Perfect Cell. Broly would just be somewhat ahead of Manga Dabura (21,000). Anime Dabura is pretty close if not equal to SSj2 Gohan (both have good points on their side), so Broly stands no chance in just SSj and would need LSSj to overpower him.

This would also give the answer as to how LSSj increase in relation to SSj and is slightly superior to SSJ2.

It's debatable how strong is LSSj Broly against Super Perfect Cell. He obviously destroys the likes of Hatchiyack, FP Bojack, Cell before he got his zenkai or Anime Dabura.

Hatchiyack at most should be 27,500, but I have him at 26,250.

Now, I am aware of the Daizenshuu saying SSj Broly is ahead of SSj Goku. But this by no means contradicts my scalling as Toei could just base this Goku (Movie 10) on the Goku Vegeta is expecting to be able to defeat as they are unaware of the fact that Goku > Vegeta, but they are aware that he has gotten stronger since the Cell Games..

Expected Goku = 463
SSj = 23,150
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Vegeta wasn’t there because he was still traumatised from Movie 8. He even kept dodging him in Movie 11.
 

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Vegeta wasn’t there because he was still traumatised from Movie 8. He even kept dodging him in Movie 11.
Is there any statement about it? I remember that in movie 11 was after the 25th Budokai, but don't know whether Vegeta is dead or is mentioned.
 

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Gohan (Movie 10) > Gohan (Movie 9) ~ Gohan (Cell-Games)

Broly LSSJ (Movie 8) >= Broly SSJ (Movie 10) > Goku SSJ (Boo-Saga)

Broly LSSJ (Movie 10) vs Goku SSJ2 + Paikuhan + villans (in hell Movie 11)

Broly LSSJ (Movie 10) >>> Family Kamehameha or Goku SSJ2+ Paikuhan ( by scans)
 

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One thing to note is that Koyama said on X/Twitter that they were under the impression that Gohan had continued to train when Movie 10 was written. This probably lines up with the manga chapters not explicitly saying Gohan was weaker until the showing of SSJ2 at the tournament.
 

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You are absolutely incredible.
 

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Great stuff. I always felt like Gohan couldn't be as weak as his Buu Saga self and have heard of rumors that he still trained, but this confirms it. Great stuff. Pak1 is going to have a fit!
 

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Koyama slo thinks the difference between "Majin Buu" and Broly will be slight, so take that for what it's worth.
 

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Why do they say that Broly LSSJ (M10) > Goku SSJ2 + Pikkon + SPC + Frieza + Villains?

Where is that said or shown? Where are Frieza and Goku teaming up against Broly?

So: Gohan SSJ2 (M10) = Kid Gohan SSJ2 (CG)?
 

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Koyama slo thinks the difference between "Majin Buu" and Broly will be slight, so take that for what it's worth.
Well that's tougher considering the level of the foes that defeated Broly. No amount of Super Saiyan 2s could defeat Majin Buu, but a couple Super Saiyans and a Super Saiyan 2 defeated Broly. So feats wise, Broly probably shouldn't be Buu level.
 

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Well that's tougher considering the level of the foes that defeated Broly. No amount of Super Saiyan 2s could defeat Majin Buu, but a couple Super Saiyans and a Super Saiyan 2 defeated Broly. So feats wise, Broly probably shouldn't be Buu level.
But it's trained Gohan so that can change things.
 

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You see now normal Gohan >>> SSJ Goten & Trunks makes sense. There is more dialogue & implication which make more sense now.
 

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