Movie 10 Scalling

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@Power Level Guy
@Fantastische Hure

What gap do you have between Broly LSSJ (M10) over Gohan SSJ2 (M10)?

 

[Dagon]

So Goku SSJ2 alone with the help of Pikkon, were they able to defeat Broly?

Depends on if you go by the theory that Movie 11 is marooned in its own timeline or if it is part of Movie 12's timeline. If the former then Goku could use SSJ3 but if the latter only Majin Buu made Goku use SSJ3.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Power Level Guy
@Fantastische Hure

What gap do you have between Broly LSSJ (M10) over Gohan SSJ2 (M10)?

No idea. The movies don’t seem to care too much. So just higher by a-lot as vague as it might sound to you.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Could be, but then again they do get nerfed in anime so Goku could just be way more power-ful than them.

TOEI very rarely makes anyone stronger than Goku.

 

[HunterR18]

So Goku SSJ2 alone with the help of Pikkon, were they able to defeat Broly?

And in M12 Paragus , Bojack and Freeza appeared

 

[HunterR18]

I think the kids in M10 are nerfed.

So Gohan SSJ2 (M10) is stronger than Kid Gohan SSJ2?

by scans Toei 2005 and Koyama yes

 

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And in M12 Paragus , Bojack and Freeza appeared

I understand, but nothing suggests that Goku and Pikkon received help in defeating Broly.

 

[HunterR18]

I understand, but nothing suggests that Goku and Pikkon received help in defeating Broly.

"helping" just to defeat Broly, he was already fighting the villains and destroying everything in hell, even bio-broly could be in the middle, said by koyama

I assume these would be the fights:

Broly SSJ vs Cell + Freeza + Bojack + Paragus + Cooler + Hatchiyack? + Bio-Broly

Broly LSSJ vs Goku SSJ2 + Paikuhan + SPC + Freeza + Super Bojack + Paragus + Final Cooler + Super Hatchiyack? + Bio-Broly

or different

 

[Dagon]

"helping" just to defeat Broly, he was already fighting the villains and destroying everything in hell, even bio-broly could be in the middle, said by koyama

I assume these would be the fights:

Broly SSJ vs Cell + Freeza + Bojack + Paragus + Cooler + Hatchiyack? + Bio-Broly

Broly LSSJ vs Goku SSJ2 + Paikuhan + SPC + Freeza + Super Bojack + Paragus + Final Cooler + Super Hatchiyack? + Bio-Broly

or different

Are we seriously just making up an imaginary scenario with no supporting evidence?

 

[HunterR18]

Are we seriously just making up an imaginary scenario with no supporting evidence?

by the quotes, but rather just an assumption of what happened there

 

[Power Level Guy]

Well that's what limits Broly imo. Super Saiyan 3 isn't required to defeat him. Super Saiyan 2 with some help can get it done.

I don't think he's all that much stronger than Majin Vegeta. Fat Buu Powered Up level or somewhere around that.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Gohan (Movie 10) > Gohan (Movie 9) ~ Gohan (Cell-Games)

Broly LSSJ (Movie 8) >= Broly SSJ (Movie 10) > Goku SSJ (Boo-Saga)

Broly LSSJ (Movie 10) vs Goku SSJ2 + Paikuhan + villans (in hell Movie 11)

Broly LSSJ (Movie 10) >>> Family Kamehameha or Goku SSJ2+ Paikuhan ( by scans)

This is a timeline prior to the 25th Budokai. So, Gohan is as strong as he was in the Buu Saga.

Goku's strength hadn't been revealed yet.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Broly > Buu Saga Goku

It's stated in the promotional material.

But he could just be ahead of SSJ Goku, SSJ2 Goku is ahead of SSJ2 Gohan and made SSJ Broly transform. And SSJ3 Goku is stronger than LSSJ Broly.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Well that's tougher considering the level of the foes that defeated Broly. No amount of Super Saiyan 2s could defeat Majin Buu, but a couple Super Saiyans and a Super Saiyan 2 defeated Broly. So feats wise, Broly probably shouldn't be Buu level.

That's Broly limited due to the script, if there's something real Koyama said is that in both times Broly got defeated is because he couldn't thought of anything better, Broly without the script would've been invincible for the Z Fighters both times he appeared.

 

[Power Level Guy]

That's Broly limited due to the script, if there's something real Koyama said is that in both times Broly got defeated is because he couldn't thought of anything better, Broly without the script would've been invincible for the Z Fighters both times he appeared.

Unfortunately for Broly, that won't be enough to give him limitless power. He's defeated by people in the Super Saiyan 2 realm of power. Majin Buu simply is too much for him and any number of Super Saiyan 2s. Broly included.

Majin Buu can defeat Broly, Vegeta, Goku, and Gohan. All at the same time.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Unfortunately for Broly, that won't be enough to give him limitless power. He's defeated by people in the Super Saiyan 2 realm of power. Majin Buu simply is too much for him and any number of Super Saiyan 2s. Broly included.

Majin Buu can defeat Broly, Vegeta, Goku, and Gohan. All at the same time.

Broly doesn't have limitless power.

Being able to defeat weak Z Fighters in relation to Vegetto or Buu =/= Having limitless power or being invincible to the Z standards

Also, I'm not denying Majin Buu's superiority which is further implied by Janemba's movie.

In a real scenario, Broly could have only been defeated by Fusion (either Metamoru or Potara), but the script has to forcefully make him lost twice so the Z Fighters can live another day and those options didn't exist yet.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

@Power Level Guy

It is actually needed a extreme mental agility to create or develop a scenario in which Broly is defeated, at least for both times he appeared. Does it exist a coherent scenario for Broly to be defeated by Gohan, Goten, Trunks or Goku?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Being able to defeat weak Z Fighters in relation to Vegetto or Buu =/= Having limitless power or being invincible to the Z standards

He's getting smoked by Super Saiyan 2s. Vegetto is out of the question.

In a real scenario, Broly could have only been defeated by Fusion (either Metamoru or Potara), but the script has to forcefully make him lost twice so the Z Fighters can live another day and those options didn't exist yet.

Indeed. Broly was an opponent that fusion seems required, but they didn't have fusion as an option at the time.

So they came up with crazy haxxes to beat him.

But yeah, I don't think Broly > Z, despite what Koyama says. Imagine Ssj Vegetto being taken out by Gohan and Goten lol

 

[HunterR18]

Well that's what limits Broly imo. Super Saiyan 3 isn't required to defeat him. Super Saiyan 2 with some help can get it done.

I don't think he's all that much stronger than Majin Vegeta. Fat Buu Powered Up level or somewhere around that.

Majin vegeta is equal to Goku SSJ2

But yes Broly is weaker than ssj3

 

[HunterR18]

That's Broly limited due to the script, if there's something real Koyama said is that in both times Broly got defeated is because he couldn't thought of anything better, Broly without the script would've been invincible for the Z Fighters both times he appeared.

Broly has been defeat in movie 8 by courage power