Mummy-kun & Akkuman

[Fantastische Hure]

I think there's a 4th Mystery Fighter normally after Mummy-kun, so the difference is really big, in my opinion.

Also Akkuman still thought he could win after what Goku did to Mummy-kun.

 

[Six Trails]

How about Mummy-kun compared to 21st TB Goku? I believe the general consensus is Mummy >~ Goku, but why is that? I haven't read the manga since early June.

 

[SSJ2]

Mummy > 21st Goku because Roshi said that the old Goku wouldn't have been able to handle him.

Goku likely uses a different level of effort/power against Akkuman than he did against the Mummy.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

How about Mummy-kun compared to 21st TB Goku? I believe the general consensus is Mummy >~ Goku, but why is that? I haven't read the manga since early June.

Master-Roshi said the way Goku had been until then he probably couldn't have won, so it's probably the probably that makes them think that.

Even-though Mummy-kun does start attacking, and then when he finishes his attack, he (Master-Roshi) says that Goku wasn't as strong as he thought.

So Mummy-kun can even be a bit stronger since Mummy-kun was able to do a combo, and they thought that was it for the fight, and that Mummy-kun had won. Basically a three-shot they thought.

There's also that Master-Roshi thought Goku had improved considerably, and said it was going to be interesting (or something like that) to see how the fight goes (so if Goku improved considerably, but the fight is still interesting there is some lee-way to make Mummy-kun even a bit higher).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Mummy > 21st Goku because Roshi said that the old Goku wouldn't have been able to handle him.

Goku likely uses a different level of effort/power against Akkuman than he did against the Mummy.

That's what I think, too. Do you think Akkuman is >>> Mummy-kun?

I think at-least 60%'d make sense, if we were to power-scale.

 

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Mummy- 1
Supposed 4th Fighter- 1.5
Devil- 2

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Mummy- 1
Supposed 4th Fighter- 1.5
Devil- 2

Your "supposed 4th Fighter" makes me think, you don't actually think there's a 4th Figher.

 

[SSJ2]

Yes. Akkuman looks unfazed by the fact that Mummy was one shotted by Goku, and that Goku took all his attacks with no damage. Goku couldn't tank him though for what it's worth.

Akkuman says that Goku has power, but still looks confident and is even smiling at the fact that he has to fight Goku.

Goku puts effort into the kick when he kicked Akkuman, but Akkuman was relatively unaffected. It would seem as though Goku was suppressed though, seeing as he called Akkuman weak, and even said that he was just testing him.

Maybe...

Goku initial: 100
Mummy: 70
Goku more effort against Mummy: 130
Akkuman: 150
Goku against Akkuman: 190

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yes. Akkuman looks unfazed by the fact that Mummy was one shotted by Goku, and that Goku took all his attacks with no damage. Goku couldn't tank him though for what it's worth.

Akkuman says that Goku has power, but still looks confident and is even smiling at the fact that he has to fight Goku.

Goku puts effort into the kick when he kicked Akkuman, but Akkuman was relatively unaffected. It would seem as though Goku was suppressed though, seeing as he called Akkuman weak, and even said that he was just testing him.

Maybe...

Goku initial: 100
Mummy: 70
Goku more effort against Mummy: 130
Akkuman: 150
Goku against Akkuman: 190

Yeah, there's also that Akkuman fights him first, instead of straight-away going for the Devil-Mite or Pitch-Fork, and when Gok counters him, not only is he shocked, but everyone is, including Uranai Baba (she'd know).

Also when Goku basically kicks him at the end, and ends the fight, I think he says he's going to go serious, so that means he wasn't serious/full-power before.

 

[SSJ2]

Goku is certainly using a different initial level against Akkuman, as everyone was surprised by his speed.

Akkuman pulls out his pitchfork and is actually matching Goku's speed, which is why I think that they're relatively close. Serious Goku is likely the same power that he showed against Gohan, which was enough to one shot Akkuman.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku is certainly using a different initial level against Akkuman, as everyone was surprised by his speed.

Akkuman pulls out his pitchfork and is actually matching Goku's speed, which is why I think that they're relatively close. Serious Goku is likely the same power that he showed against Gohan, which was enough to one shot Akkuman.

Yeah, Yamcha says he's fast. Even-though I wasn't really sure who he was talking about, since it could be talking about either of them, but since he only says that after Goku countered, I'm more assuming he meant Goku.

Do you think there's a 4th Mystery Fighter, between Akkuman & Mummy-kun?

Maybe:

Mummy-kun - 50
4th Mystery Fighter - 75
Akkuman - 100

Or if you really want to push it, maybe at 60%.

 

[SSJ2]

I'd say 50% should be the maximum, otherwise it becomes harder for Goku to one shot Mummy but still be below Akkuman.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd say 50% should be the maximum, otherwise it becomes harder for Goku to one shot Mummy but still be below Akkuman.

You mean 2x be minimum?

What do you think of Dracula-Man, and Suke-san while we are at it?

 

[SSJ2]

I mean 50% should be the maximum that Mummy can be of Akkuman.

I've really got no idea. They don't really have any feats.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I mean 50% should be the maximum that Mummy can be of Akkuman.

I've really got no idea. They don't really have any feats.

That makes sense.

Well, Suit-Case-san was able to almost defeat Yamcha with his invisibility, but in DragonBall that's kind-of weird. It seems everyone can hurt or move someone, when they are not fighting-back or just standing. But Suit-Case-san could still hurt Yamcha.

 

[SSJ2]

He is still below 21st Yamcha level. He is maybe around Bacterian at best.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He is still below 21st Yamcha level. He is maybe around Bacterian at best.

Yeah, I think he's quite a bit below him, but can still hurt him if he can hit him, or maybe Yamcha just got hurt because he didn't know where the hits came from, so he couldn't defend himself properly wherever Suke-san hit him (since he didn't know where he'd hit him).

 

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Mummy- 1
Supposed 4th Fighter- 1.5
Devil- 2

Your "supposed 4th Fighter" makes me think, you don't actually think there's a 4th Figher.

I had a theory that it makes more sense for Baba to have taken out the weakest of the 5 fighters and move the remaining 4 one place backwards to
make room for Gohan. But people don't seem to get convinced.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Mummy- 1
Supposed 4th Fighter- 1.5
Devil- 2

Your "supposed 4th Fighter" makes me think, you don't actually think there's a 4th Figher.

I had a theory that it makes more sense for Baba to have taken out the weakest of the 5 fighters and move the remaining 4 one place backwards to
make room for Gohan. But people don't seem to get convinced.

Well yeah, I'm not.

 

[p123]

Yea it is a weird situation. It doesn't seem to me that AT meant to create this mysterious 4th fighter. It seems more likely that it is just a way to hype up Gohan. Akkuman himself even says " This is the first time someone has reached this far ". So for me, I don't spend any time thinking about this mystery fighter and instead focus on what is shown.

Goku is strong enough to one shot Mummy.
Akkuman clearly respects this level of power, but still thinks he can win.
Goku is strong enough to one shot Akkuman.

This goes to show you how ridiculously powerful Tao Pai Pai is. He's strong enough to one shot someone who could one shot someone stronger than Goku at the 21st. That's a huge, huge difference.